The GOP Debate

Standard

Photo

Why do gatherings like this always look like a casting call for the worst comb over?  Where in God’s name is queer eye for the straight guy when you need them.  If a beautiful girl like Britney Spears can shave her head, what in the hell is Mike Huckabee’s problem. This sad bunch is just further confirmation that Republicans just can’t let go and are in more need of therapy and a makeover than the Geico caveman. 

Speaking of cavemen, more than a few of the candidates sounded like they were some real knuckle dragging neanderthals.   Sam Brownback affirmed congressional meddling in the Terry Schiavo right to die case.   Ron Paul and Tom Tancredo, the gold dust twins of wingnuttia, were in rare form spouting crazy talk about isolationism and immigration.

Giuliani was underwhelming and was clearly a loser tonight.   He was tripped up on Abortion by Chris Matthews, even though the inner city beat down administered to Romney was worse. Romney handled it better because he can flow with the best of the political rappers.  Romney looked and sounded smooth like a baby’s behind.  His rhymes were tight and his delivery and showmanship were, like his grooming, flawless.

The biggest disappointment of the evening had to be McCain.  He looked and sounded uncomfortable all evening.  A couple of stray one-liners and laugh lines did nothing to rebut my presumption.  His line about following Bin-Laden to “the gates of Hell” was probably the best of the evening but his performance was uneven at best.  

Three second teir candidates did better than expected in my estimation: Gilmore, Huckabee, and Brownback.   All three were rather good, especially Gilmore and Huckabee.   All made strong, memorable impressions as knowledgeable and reasonable conservatives.  Of the three, Brownback won the Machiavellian award for his answer to the question about whether or not he could support a non pro-life nominee.  He said he could-a clear indication that he is looking to bootstrap his way into the Vice Presidency with Giuliani.

33 thoughts on “The GOP Debate

  1. rikyrah

    Giuliani was underwhelming and was clearly a loser tonight. He was tripped up on Abortion by Chris Matthews,

    How could Rudy NOT think that he would get the abortion question?

    I mean it…how the hell did he ever think he WOULDN’T get that question?

    He defended federal funding for abortion less than a month ago.

    even though the inner city beat down administered to Romney was worse. Romney handled it better because he can flow with the best of the political rappers. Romney looked and sounded smooth like a baby’s behind. His rhymes were tight and his delivery and showmanship were, like his grooming, flawless.

    inner city beatdown…LOL

    Don’t like Romney..never have, never will.

    I didn’t think McCain was great, but I didn’t think he was all that bad either.

  2. rikyrah,

    The question Giuliani got about what did he learn from the African American community was telling-after mumbling some nonsense, he segues into talking about getting 600,000 off welfare. Negroes=Welfare. Neat, huh. 🙂

  3. rikyrah

    rikyrah,

    The question Giuliani got about what did he learn from the African American community was telling-after mumbling some nonsense, he segues into talking about getting 600,000 off welfare. Negroes=Welfare. Neat, huh

    Tell me about it.

    Oh Lawd, please let someone bring up Amadu Diallo and Abner Louima at Tavis’ debate at Morgan State.

    Pretty please, with sugar on top?

    And pretty pretty please ask him to clarify what he said at THIS debate?

    Come on….Daddy Tavis can be good to us like that, can’t he, SB?😉

  4. dblhelix

    Good thing Obama got SS protection — would you want to be around the “supporters” of any of these GOP candidates?

    Huckabee/Brownback — while most ‘presentable,’ let’s not forget that both raised their hand to not believing in evolution …

  5. Couldn’t quite bring myself to watch this mess, so thanks for reporting on the gory details. Even that little photo up there is enough to give me dry heaves. Quite the gathering of angry, impotent old dudes basking in that grand old tradition of class, gender and racial priviledge

    As expected, sounds like nothing substantive got within a few times zones of earhsot of these dudes tonight, so here’s also hoping that their bubbles and cocoons someday get broken into.

  6. Ogre Mage

    McCain’s line about following Bin Laden to “the gates of Hell” would have worked better if he had not SMILED right after he said it. WTF was that? In an odd way it disturbed me more that the stream of ideological diarrhea throughout this debate.

    I was hoping for Jerry Springer level conflict, but this lot was strangely subdued and not very entertaining. Maybe Bush has robbed them of their mojo. Even their attack lines on Hillary Clinton were limp. At the very least, you’d think they’d be able to get it up for that.

  7. Ogre Mage, I was going to make that point about McCain as well. That freakinsh smile was disturbing. You know the people who work on his image are constantly reminding him to smile, but that was just weird

  8. NMP

    “rikyrah,

    The question Giuliani got about what did he learn from the African American community was telling-after mumbling some nonsense, he segues into talking about getting 600,000 off welfare. Negroes=Welfare. Neat, huh.”

    SB,

    I was salivating with expectation that Chris Matthews and especially Eugene Robinson would bring that up during post debate analysis, but NOTHING! And they get paid to be politically observant!!!

    P.S.: Do you keep track of media mentions of your site? I noticed that Slate gave the site a shout out and quoted Political Junkie in a recent article.

  9. NMP

    “Don’t like Romney..never have, never will. ”

    rikyrah,

    Same here, but I have a bad feelin’ he’s going to be the Republican nominee. I think the media is way underestimating the impact of Giuliani’s super bowl level fumble on the abortion question and way too impressed with McCain managing to sound somewhat lucid for 90 minutes. I don’t know what they medicated him with, but I’m not fooled…that old man is pre-senile. At this point, I think Romney, a republican who managed to get elected in the most liberal state in the country, is the best chance the republicans have of getting a sizeable share of conservative to moderate democrats and independents and not completely losing their base. If it came down to a choice between Hillary and Giluliani, the Christian Coalition would drink cyanide laced Kool-Aid before they would live in the country with either of them as president. I think they would settle for Romney just to keep her out of the WH. And as car salesman like as he appears, I wouldn’t underestimate him. I think he would be incredibly formidable. Let’s not make the Reagan mistake again in NOT believing the hype.

  10. rikyrah

    “Don’t like Romney..never have, never will. ”

    rikyrah,

    Same here, but I have a bad feelin’ he’s going to be the Republican nominee. I think the media is way underestimating the impact of Giuliani’s super bowl level fumble on the abortion question and way too impressed with McCain managing to sound somewhat lucid for 90 minutes.

    If Thompson gets in the race, then all bets are off.

    But, I’m not feeling Romney.

    The ‘base’ sees the polls, and they see that Romney ain’t beating NOBODY in those national Polls..

    But, Rudy is.

    Plus, they are religious bigots and can’t get past his Mormonism, no matter how many protests to the contrary.

  11. NMP

    “Huckabee/Brownback — while most ‘presentable,’ let’s not forget that both raised their hand to not believing in evolution …”

    That would have been amusing if most recent surveys didn’t find that the majority of Americans don’t believe in evolution and a VAST majority of African Americans don’t. As sad as it may be, they are actually in the mainstream. 😦

  12. NMP

    rikyrah,

    It’s almost two years before the first lever is pulled. By the time 2008 rolls around, everyone will be laughing at these current polls.

  13. rikyrah

    rikyrah,

    It’s almost two years before the first lever is pulled. By the time 2008 rolls around, everyone will be laughing at these current polls.

    That’s the trick bag…..in order to get to the general election, you have to sell yourself in the primaries. What’s his schtick? That he can raise a lot of money from a few rich people?

    I don’t happen to like Rudy – can’t stand him, but if I had to hold my nose and vote for someone I didn’t like, I’d pull it for the person that, according to the polls, is competitive in states that the GOP would otherwise lose (PA, OH, MI, MN)….and, that ain’t Romney.

  14. Rick

    I am not lauging at these current polls showing Guiliani as the front runner of the GOP. That *ISH scares me to death. Guiliani said STRAIGHT UP that he doesn’t like black people and he basically sees us as criminals and welfare recipients – a population he had electronically FINGER-PRINTED while NYC mayor by the way….

    …And the press today made nothing of it!! (maybe it’s because we learned post-Imus that many whites and media establishments feel the same way privately, they just keep it to themselves…well at least that’s something I observed recently)

    How would blacks fare under this so-called “national ID” scheme of his???? Guiliani as president for 4 years would be worse for blacks than the years of Reagen and Bush Jr. combined. Bush took steps to roll back constitutional liberties…Guliani, if allowed, would finish the job!

  15. dblhelix

    most recent surveys didn’t find that the majority of Americans don’t believe in evolution and a VAST majority of African Americans don’t. As sad as it may be, they are actually in the mainstream

    I hear you, I’ve seen those same surveys. But it’s a disgrace to see this from presidential candidates. Putting aside the biosciences (the #1 growth area for good jobs in many urban areas), other fields are adapting evolutionary algorithms to solve everyday problems.

    The problem of balancing faith and reason goes back to the high middle ages — if they could manage, so can we!

  16. dblhelix

    Rick:How would blacks fare under this so-called “national ID” scheme of his???? Guiliani as president for 4 years would be worse for blacks than the years of Reagen and Bush Jr. combined. Bush took steps to roll back constitutional liberties…Guliani, if allowed, would finish the job!

    I had a great deal of trouble following the debate on this issue. First of all, they kept going back and forth on whether this was for all Americans or just immigrants. Made no sense to me as REAL-ID (for all legal residents) has already been passed, so this is what they should have been discussing.

    My takeway was that they were just dancing around for the debate, and a reduction in civil liberties, particularly under Giuliani, is a given.

  17. dblhelix

    rikyrah I don’t happen to like Rudy – can’t stand him, but if I had to hold my nose and vote for someone I didn’t like, I’d pull it for the person that, according to the polls, is competitive in states that the GOP would otherwise lose

    I was reading a conservative board this morning and saw:

    “I know he’s pro-abort, but I like him because deep down he’s really mean.”

  18. Rick

    “I had a great deal of trouble following the debate on this issue.”

    dblhelix –

    let’s NOT find out what they meant!!! LOL

  19. rikyrah

    I am not lauging at these current polls showing Guiliani as the front runner of the GOP. That *ISH scares me to death. Guiliani said STRAIGHT UP that he doesn’t like black people and he basically sees us as criminals and welfare recipients – a population he had electronically FINGER-PRINTED while NYC mayor by the way….

    …And the press today made nothing of it!! (maybe it’s because we learned post-Imus that many whites and media establishments feel the same way privately, they just keep it to themselves…well at least that’s something I observed recently)

    How would blacks fare under this so-called “national ID” scheme of his???? Guiliani as president for 4 years would be worse for blacks than the years of Reagen and Bush Jr. combined. Bush took steps to roll back constitutional liberties…Guliani, if allowed, would finish the job!

    I agree with everything you said about Rudy. I don’t like Rudy – can’t stand him – in the least. He’s horrid. And, make no mistake – he’d competely finish the shredding of The Constitution.

  20. NMP

    Sorry, rikyrah!

    I got ahead of myself. I should have written about of year, NOT two years, addressing only the primaries, which I still think are no measurement of how things will shape-up over the next several months. I think the Feb ’08 results will look dramatically different than the current picture. I don’t think there is ANYWAY that Giuliani’s 911 mystic can overcome his admission of being pro-choice–NO WAY! Then saying he would support a change to the Constitution to allow foreign born citizens to become President. Hell, that’s their 2nd worse fear behind Hillary as President. It’s only been less than 24 hours, but their Party’s internal dynamics have changed over night! I think Romeny did himself a world of service at the debate last night. Pat Robertson has invited him to speak at his “university’s” commencement ceremony. I think he’s being groomed within their secret society. And God help us all!

  21. NMP

    “…And the press today made nothing of it!! (maybe it’s because we learned post-Imus that many whites and media establishments feel the same way privately, they just keep it to themselves…well at least that’s something I observed recently)”

    rikyrah,

    That’s the reason I watched Imus. It was like being the proverbial fly on the wall! He was able to get highly influential press elite to express their TRUE opinions, which I considered invaluable. As they old saying goes, I would rather keep company with the Klan than a self-described White Liberal because at least I know where they are coming from. I disdained Imus aka Anus, but I found his show invaluable in learning his guests’ TRUE perspectives. I would watch highly regarded so-called objective journalists making statements about Obama that exposed their prejudices then watch them criticize Obama during mainstream news broadcasts. To the average viewer who didn’t know better, they were merely objective, unbiased opinions, but I knew better because I learned what they truly thought on Imus.

  22. NMP

    Damn, I’m growing more senile by the minute. I’m sure (at least I hope), y’all know I meant mystique and not mystic in my next to last last reply to rikyrah. I’m out, mentally and physically. Have a great weekend!

  23. Rick

    rikyrah – “he’d competely finish the shredding of The Constitution.”

    re: Obama vs Guiliani in a debate

    I would be very interested to see a 1:1 debate between Obama and Rudy on constitutional law…the former worked as a lawyer defending it, the later as a municipal dictator violating it. This would be a debate for the ages. I’d do Pay Per View to see this!!

  24. rikyrah

    Sorry, rikyrah!

    I got ahead of myself. I should have written about of year, NOT two years, addressing only the primaries, which I still think are no measurement of how things will shape-up over the next several months. I think the Feb ‘08 results will look dramatically different than the current picture. I don’t think there is ANYWAY that Giuliani’s 911 mystic can overcome his admission of being pro-choice–NO WAY! Then saying he would support a change to the Constitution to allow foreign born citizens to become President. Hell, that’s their 2nd worse fear behind Hillary as President. It’s only been less than 24 hours, but their Party’s internal dynamics have changed over night! I think Romeny did himself a world of service at the debate last night. Pat Robertson has invited him to speak at his “university’s” commencement ceremony. I think he’s being groomed within their secret society. And God help us all!

    You think so? I don’t know. I thought that Rudy – “I’ll appoint the judges you want?” Guiliani was approaching them, and they could swallow him. Maybe you see Romney- we’ll have to watch the polls.

  25. rikyrah

    As they old saying goes, I would rather keep company with the Klan than a self-described White Liberal because at least I know where they are coming from. I disdained Imus aka Anus, but I found his show invaluable in learning his guests’ TRUE perspectives. I would watch highly regarded so-called objective journalists making statements about Obama that exposed their prejudices then watch them criticize Obama during mainstream news broadcasts. To the average viewer who didn’t know better, they were merely objective, unbiased opinions, but I knew better because I learned what they truly thought on Imus.

    This is interesting, and I’m feeling you.

  26. john in california

    didn’t huckleberry and brownshirt put their hands up when asked “who doesn’e believe in evolution?” Skepitcal, what can you find “… knowledgeable and reasonable…” about that? They are nincompoops!

  27. Nuggets

    Hey, Ron Paul is the only candidate on that stage of stooges who opposed the Iraq War including ALL “supplementals”. He wants the troops home now, and the war funding to stop as soon as they’re home. He wants to dismantle every military base and close down our foreign prisons and torture chambers. He wants to cut defense spending by at least 25%..

    He opposed the Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act, NAFTA, CAFTA, and the WTO; and would pull us out of every one of them. He would restore due process and the privacy laws that were stripped away from citizens and residents. He would dismantle the Dept of Homeland Security’s federal police state which is starting to resemble Stalin’s KGB, and costing us $50 to $100 billion per year.

    He opposes ANY imposition on our personal freedoms. Based on the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, every citizen has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. How we go about it is none of the government’s business. We should be free to do whatever we want as long as it does not endanger others or infringe on their rights. He supports GLBT’s right to marry, women’s right to birth control and abortion, and every citizen’s right to use drugs if he/she so chooses (the ones not sold by Pfizer and Merck).

    Our drug laws are immoral, unjust, and unconstitutional. Over half of the 2 million prison inmates are locked up for drug-related “crimes”, and it is no secret that African-Americans and Hispanics are targeted and presumed guilty until proven innocent. It is a national disgrace.

    So who among the 3 dozen presidential candidates is talking about it? Only one. Dr. Paul would decriminalize drug possession. His view–which also happens to be the Constitutional view–is simple and clear: it is an invasion of personal privacy to dictate to citizens what they can eat, drink, or smoke. OUR law enforcement’s job is to keep the peace, not monitor what people choose to do peacefully in the privacy of their homes. People have become so brainwashed and sheepish, they never stop to consider how invasive and draconian these drug laws have become.

  28. insain1

    Too bad we don’t have him still on the ticket running he’s a better chose that “Old Fart and the Tart”!!!
    Heck we could write him in though…..
    And any person who turns their back on the flag needs a one way ticket to another country!!! OBADma he’s just not the one for the job!!!

Comments are closed.