Obama has leg up on black endorsements

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By Brian DeBose
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Black lawmakers say they are puzzled that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential campaign hasn’t used its political machine to solicit endorsements from key rank-and-file elected Democrats in early primary states. Most black Democrats are still uncommitted in their party’s 2008 presidential race, but several officials say they are impressed with the aggressive outreach of Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign.

Without a matching response from Mrs. Clinton, many said the New York Democrat could be facing a “groundswell” of support for Mr. Obama, Illinois Democrat, by this summer. “If that occurs, Obama will sweep up a lot of people who would normally be with the Clintons,” said Georgia state Rep. Al Williams, chairman of the Georgia Legislative Black Caucus.

Mr. Williams said he likes the Clintons personally and is watching Mrs. Clinton very closely but is not sure she knows she is in a real race. “I find it interesting that I have not yet heard from them,” he said. “I have had eight different calls from the Obama camp and heard from him personally once already. They are very aggressive, and he turned it up considerably after April.”Mr. Williams is not yet committed to a candidate and said he probably wouldn’t make such a commitment until summer’s end.

Florida state Sen. Al Lawson Jr. — recently elected the Florida Senate’s Democratic leader, and the longest-serving black politician in the state — said he too is puzzled by the Clinton campaign’s lack of aggression. He said the big question in his district is whether Mrs. Clinton can win the White House. “Obama has really generated a lot of energy out there, and I look forward to meeting with him,” said Mr. Lawson, adding that he has also spoken with Obama campaign advisers.

Mr. Lawson said Mrs. Clinton isn’t using her political machine to its full advantage but said Mr. Obama needs to get past his advisers and start showing up in more black communities. “The biggest fear I have, and I suspect many others have, is at some point Bill Clinton will turn on his network and charm, turn his machine on, and that will make it very difficult for Obama,” Mr. Lawson said. “Because even those members who are saying they are with Obama now, they still love Bill, and you may see those people sort of wavering once that happens, and that’s not a good place to be in.”

Mr. Obama’s recent trip to Texas did not please some of that state’s black Democrats, many of whom say they haven’t heard from him but aren’t really sure whether Mrs. Clinton can win either.”If he came down here and spoke to us directly, I suspect many of us would jump out of our skin to help him,” said Texas state Rep. Senfronia Thompson, a Democrat from Houston who is chairman of the Texas Legislative Black Caucus. She said many of her members simply don’t know enough about Mr. Obama and are waiting to meet with him and are fairly sure that they will also meet with Mrs. Clinton. Mr. Obama made a trip to the University of Texas at Austin soon after his official announcement, speaking to a mostly white crowd of more than 20,000 supporters.

Mr. Obama needs to reach black communities in Texas, particularly at historically black colleges — anywhere black voters and elected officials can reach out to him and “put their hands on him,” Mrs. Thompson said.

An issue of interest to black voters in Texas, she said, is the future of historically black Texas Southern University, where the school’s chief financial officer has been convicted and its former president indicted for misuse of public funds for personal use. “We need to hear from [Mr. Obama] on education funding, agriculture, energy, but more importantly, just hear from him,” Mrs. Thompson said.

Black lawmakers clearly see Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama as front-runners for the 2008 Democratic nomination, with a few acknowledging former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards as someone they were considering. “Personally, I see the two being the front-runners and that is not to take anything away from the others, but you have to narrow it down,” said Michigan state Rep. Brenda Clack, chairman of Michigan Black Legislative Caucus.

The Flint Democrat said she is “somewhat surprised” with the momentum behind Mr. Obama and the diversity of his support. “It is not just African-Americans who are singing his praises; more often than not, it is whites and others, and that is what is special about him,” Mrs. Clack said.

The size and diversity of Mr. Obama’s support has impressed younger black lawmakers, who are flocking to Mr. Obama as he visits more and more states. California State Assembly Majority Leader Karen Bass, a Los Angeles Democrat and vice chairman of her state’s legislative black caucus, made her decision to support Mr. Obama just before he arrived at the state party’s convention.

“For me, he is absolutely inspirational and has a unique background in community activism similar to mine, and he has a unique ability to inspire people to register to vote and to get to the polls those who do not vote regularly,” Ms. Bass said.

153 thoughts on “Obama has leg up on black endorsements

  1. rikyrah

    SB,

    consider the source.

    The Washington TIMES?

    This is suspect to me.
    This time, I’m skeptical.

  2. What I’ve discovered during the campaigning seasons for the presidency is that that the dem candidates do not really come to Texas to campaign. I think that Texas is ignored. I think that the candidates feel that there is no point in spending time and money in a state that will go with a GOP candidate. Frankly, this type of campaigning turns me off.

    Earlier this year, I got an e-mail that Obama was coming to Houston. I wasn’t able to go because I had class that same night. Someone told me that that the ticket to get in was like $2K. I don’t know if that’s true. I’ll check on that.

    I think that Obama and Clinton would do very well if they came to Texas to campaign. Contrary to what the rest of the world thinks, people in Texas are sick and tired of Bush/Perry politics. I think a lot of the middle of the road people would jump ship and go with the dem candidates. I don’t know…

    I wish I could hear from some black leaders regarding this whole TSU crisis. Right before the scandel broke loose, Tavis Smiley made a commitment to give the school a mill dollars a year for 15 years. (I’m actually a student in the newly created Tavis Smiley School of Communications at TSU I’ll be a graduate in August. Yipee!.) I haven’t heard what Tavis has to say about this mess TSU school is in. It would be interesting to get his viewpoint on the whole thing.

    So much news is reported about what is supposedly going on with the university. It’s hard to know what is truth and what is propaganda, created by white people that don’t want to see TSU prosper.

    The other day in class, some students were discussing how Bill Clinton helped TSU get out of trouble back when he was in office. I would like to know what the current presidential hopefuls think about what is happening now at TSU.

  3. rikyrah

    Angie,

    why don’t you ask the question about TSU to Tavis’ debate? you can couch it in a larger question about HBCU’s and the federal commitment to them.

  4. dblhelix

    t’s the Washington Times, folks. I don’t trust that paper – at all

    They always have an angle. Also, Hillary delivered the Claflin commencement speech, so I don’t think she’s quite given up.

    I did find it quite interesting that so many state legislators went on the record — WT articles involving Democratic politics are usually filled with “somebody close to” type quotes.

  5. No need to be skeptical about this story. I’m surprised more candidates haven’t discovered this as I did back in 96 working Clinton/Gore II. Just talk to people early on, don’t assume everyone is going to play ball and wait until the last week before the election. People just like to be recognized, and you can make people feel important. There’s less chance of battles over resources that usually go on between Black support groups and candidates at election time. Still, the old saw is, the black folks are in the bag, no need to expend resources on them until the end.

    To the Tex Sou student
    It’s likely that there will be two events, one for the general public and a fundraiser. If they don’t happen within a couple of days of each other, you can be sure he’ll be back to your area for one or the other.

  6. NMP

    rikyrah & dblhelix,

    I’m not questioning your take on the conservative bent of the Washington Times, it’s a Moonie newspaper afterall. What I’m trying to glean is why you appear so skeptical that Black pols would go on record in support of Obama or questioning Clinton’s lack of Black outreach.

  7. NMP

    “People just like to be recognized, and you can make people feel important.”

    And it must be especially nice for Black pols who would otherwise be ignored if Obama wasn’t in the race.

  8. Rikyrah, you’re right. I should sit down and really come up with an intelligent question to ask regarding the HBCU issue. I’ll do some research and get some more info on what’s really happening with HBCU’s before I develop a question. (I better do that quickly.)

    I would also love to submit a question regarding disability issues. I think that the disability population is largely ignored by all politicians. This is a major issue for me because African Americans are twice as likely than whites to become disabled before retirement age. Sadly, African Americans are less likely to be reintegrated back into the workforce after being declared disabled. A little research is being done to figure out why that is. Some people, and I’m one of those people, suspect that it is the double minority status: being black and disabled. I feel that I’m a victim of that a lot. Black, female, and disabled…

    Also as the babyboomers age, many of them will become disabled before they get to retirement age. So, it’s not just a black issue. Disability is real, and we must find ways to prevent it by combatting illness. This can be done with a fresh and inovative health care plan. But for those who are already disabled, and those that are beyond the point of correcting their pending disability, a solution to the employment issue needs to be renderred. People with disabilities want to work. And they should be able to.

  9. NMP

    Angie,

    Be sure to preview your question on HBCU’s here. I’d really be interested. As enrollments decline, the relevancy and historical mission of HBCU’s are very much at issue.

  10. rikyrah

    Angie,

    I think the HBCU and disability questions are good ones. I’ve read the rules, and didn’t find anything about only submitting one question, which is why I’m asking folks to submit as many intelligent questions as they can possibly think of concerning the community.

  11. dblhelix

    NMP: What I’m trying to glean is why you appear so skeptical that Black pols would go on record in support of Obama or questioning Clinton’s lack of Black outreach.

    Actually, when I first posted this link (as on OT, earlier post), I commented that while the WT is suspect, the fact that pols went on the record gave it some creedence.

    However, I do find it strange that Obama would not make a CBC fundraiser a priority while working the phones this hard at the state lege level.

    Let’s not forget that the battle over the two pols in SC was over state legislators. They were getting calls from all camps, including Edwards.

    Cory Booker said he heard from both of them.

    It’s hard to know whether these particular state legislators are representative of what’s going on across the board. That’s the problem with the WT.

  12. dblhelix

    NMP, in terms of possible WT agenda — given their readership, if you have an article where candidate A is blowing off Black pols, and candidate B is courting them, who benefits??

  13. rikyrah

    They’re gonna get sued just like that city in Pennsylvania. Though I think any town in Texas is like 10 years too late to try this.

  14. Angie,

    It ain’t nothin’ but the typical chamber of commerce racism that grandstands in the boardroom and then hires undocumented people to cook and clean for slave wages. They know damn well that the Texas economy depends on the labor of immigrants. There ain’t no way around it.

  15. Denise

    The WT is the mouthpiece for Washington’s neocons.

    That said, the article doesn’t quite deliver what the headline suggests. With the exception of the “aggressive outreach” effort in Georgia, the article rehashed what has already been reported about Senator Obama: he needs to get past his advisors (FL); had a disappointing outreach effort in TX; and in spite of these complaints, he gets his share of Kool-aid gulping bandwagoning (MI and CA).

    If anything, this article reveals that Hillary is the real political threat to the GOP ticket and she’s the one to beat. The last thing they want is to see Bill Clinton back in the White House for eight more years.

  16. dblhelix: Thanks for that news. My mouth flew open when I read your post. I copied and pasted part of that announcement below.

    “I am pleased today to endorse Hillary Rodham Clinton for President,” Jackson Lee said. “Senator Clinton has a great love for America and has a deep understanding
    of the issues that face our nation. I look forward to having a strategic role in the campaign and helping this dedicated public servant become the next
    President of the United States.”

    Jackson Lee is in her seventh term in Congress, and is Co-Chair of the Congressional Children’s Caucus and a leading voice on immigration issues. Congressional
    Quarterly has named her one of the 50 most effective Members of Congress, and U.S. News and World Report called her one of the 10 most influential legislators
    in the House of Representatives.

    My perspective on this issue: This is major because Jackson-Lee has a great deal of influence on blacks from Texas. She is loved and highly respected. Frankly, I’m shocked that she endorsed Clinton. But my best friend felt that it was expected. I don’t know…

    Obama really has taken a blow in the Gulf States to not have gotten this woman on his side. Because as the article mentioned, she is not just going to be rallying for Clinton in Texas, but in other Gulf States.

    BTW: Hearing this news makes me give up on the idea that Al Gore would run. I need to let that pipe dream go. Not that I think that Gore is so dog on great. I just think he would be the only one that could win this thing. Not to mention that he would be the one that would allow Obama to be his VP. (I don’t believe one second that Hil would select Obama.)

    The Republicans are going to come out the woods, trailers, swamps, and mansions to defeat Hil. They don’t want that woman and her husband in the oval office again.

  17. Denise

    black female campaign co-chair???

    That slam dunk was nothin’ but net.

    Obama, time to come with it. The ball is in your court.

    ::: munching popcorn ::: LOL

  18. NMP

    Hey, dblhelix

    “NMP, in terms of possible WT agenda — given their readership, if you have an article where candidate A is blowing off Black pols, and candidate B is courting them, who benefits??”

    I”m not sure if I’m following you. Like it or not, and I don’t, WT is the paper of record for many African Americans in the Washington, DC area just as a substantial percentage of Fox news viewers are African American. I read WT from time to time just to find out what the enemy is up to (as we all should), and I haven’t read any unflattering pieces on HRC; in fact, quite to the contrary. Moreover, many former Blacks of the Clinton/Gore centrist era are contributing columnists, like Donna Brazil.

    Personally, I’m not surprised that Obama hasn’t done a CBC fund-raiser. I think he has every intention of winning this election unbeholden to the CBC. The CBC has far more to lose than he does. I think he’s strategically building relationships where needed, i.e. John Conyers, but he’s certainly not going to let the likes of Al Wynn muscle him. Let’s just suppose Obama wins the nomination and w/o their support, where does that leave them? Do they want to be on the wrong side of history?

  19. NMP

    Angie,

    And what gulf states are up for grabs in this election? HRC put Sheila Jackson Lee in place for symbolism to counter-act the the effect of Michelle Obama. She’s going to need a LOT of Sheila Jackson Lees to counteract Oprah. Rasmussen hasn’t posted it yet, but its soon to release very intriguing research on the potential of Oprah’s political influence. Her decades of research on women, particularly White women, will be invaluable for the Obama campaign.

  20. NMP

    Denise,

    “The WT is the mouthpiece for Washington’s neocons.”

    And what would the Washington Post be? Have you read their editorial page in the last few years? I don’t disagree about the WT, but let’s not be fooled that so-called papers of record are any better. It wasn’t the WT that influenced Democrats to go to war; it was the Washington Post, NY Times and Chicago Tribune.

    The highlight of your assessment of Obama’s outreach (or need there of) was Florida. Most papers would never state this, but we all know why HRC is doing so well in FL: Jews and Latinos! She is the number two choice of AIPAC (slightly behind Giuliani) and Obama is ranked dead last. They said they don’t believe “he loves Israel” like Hillary. How would you suggest he overcome the combined disdain and distrust of those two powerful groups toward Blacks?

  21. rikyrah

    The Republicans are going to come out the woods, trailers, swamps, and mansions to defeat Hil. They don’t want that woman and her husband in the oval office again.

    Funniest thing I’ve read in about a week.🙂

  22. rikyrah

    black female campaign co-chair???

    That slam dunk was nothin’ but net.

    Obama, time to come with it. The ball is in your court.

    I’m with NMP about this.

    Gore had Donna Brazile, but that didn’t add anything to his cache.

  23. NMP

    rikyrah,

    OMG, Falwell dead! Will this mean that those religious nuts on the right won’t be able to organize resistance to Giuliani or maybe even Bloomberg???

  24. Denise

    NMP said: “How would you suggest he overcome the combined disdain and distrust of those two powerful groups toward Blacks?”

    Denise responds: First, he could begin by not appearing to alienate black people himself. The reports of dissing (no, not his pastor; we’ve moved on from that) and slights involving various other black constituents and political operatives are troubling for me. If they are unfounded, then he should address them.

    Second, those historical obstacles you noted ARE challenges. Welcome to America, black man!

    Frankly, I think he’s getting poor political advice and may be carrying a sloppy campaign apparatus.

    To his credit, he is holding up his end with the things most people notice: charisma, oratory skills, capable and attractive wife, etc. But for some reason, after that there seems to be a big disconnect at the ground level. He can’t be everywhere, neither can his wife. That’s what he’s paying other people to do.

    I think he’s not being served well by those around him. Perhaps they don’t want to let anyone else in. But you know what they say about a closed fist, nothing leaves, but the hand can’t receive anything, either!

    Just my very lay person level observations. I don’t want or need to see him fall completely on his face. We all want to see a hard fought, competitive campaign.

    Rikyrah said: “Gore had Donna Brazile, but that didn’t add anything to his cache.” Please see:

    http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2004/09/13/040913fa_fact

    “…Unlike Clinton, who could draw on a huge pool of friends for advice, Gore lacked the gift, or the patience, for showing gratitude, for keeping in close touch. Donna Brazile complained that she had never got so much as a thank-you note for her service in 2000, and many who had worked for Gore or who had given serious money to the campaign felt the same. “He treated people poorly,” Robert Bauer, one of Gore’s aides during the Florida battle, said. “He was cold, aloof, condescending, ungrateful. There were legendary stories about how he treated people with a lack of gratitude…”

    Perhaps this has more to do with Gore than Ms. Brazile.

  25. rikyrah

    rikyrah,

    OMG, Falwell dead! Will this mean that those religious nuts on the right won’t be able to organize resistance to Giuliani or maybe even Bloomberg???

    No. This won’t stop them. Saw some Baptist dude on Hardball just the other day talking about how he can’t back Rudy, and I told you about how one of Mitt’s new ‘ friends’, Ralph Reed, dogged him out the other day.

  26. NMP

    Denise,

    It’s absolutely fascinating to me that a people normally inclined to distrust the mainstream media seems to have such a healthy appetite for any AND everything written for the sole purpose of widening the perceived gulf behind Obama and the Black community. I had a conversation recently with Michel Eric Dyson who was quoted in hit piece in the Boston Globe. He said that he didn’t know in advance how the story would be slanted? What???? You’re telling me that an Ivy League professor and Black cultural expert who has made a career of distrust of the mainstream press didn’t know that he was being used? He went on to say that he called Senator Obama to assure him that he didn’t know the slant of the piece and was solidly behind his campaign, but of course that didn’t get reported.

    I think the problem is that too many Blacks who would otherwise be ignored by the mainstream media are enjoying the wide cast of Obama’s limelight, and will say anything critical to get in the papers. For God’s sake, even Minister Louis Farrakhan understands the political compromises he has to make in order to pursue the presidency AND SUPPORTS HIM and has called for Black “constituents and political operatives” to show more maturity and resist the media ploys.

    My question to you and others who are troubled by “reports” of him “dissing and slights involving various other black constituents and political operatives” is why are you so inclined to believe these “reports”? And exactly how much time do you propose he exert to disproving them–that would meet your satisfaction? Should he have a weekly press conference dedicated solely to addressing erroneous news stories while other candidates, White and Latino candidates, are afforded the luxury of addressing core issues?

    You still haven’t answered my question regarding the influence of the Jewish and Cuban voting blocs in Florida? Even he “corrects” his behavior with the Black community and garners 100% of the Black vote, how will this counter-balance the Jewish and Cuban political mafia who would NEVER vote for a Black candidate because there is an inherent distrust that someone from our community can NOT represent their interest.

  27. NMP

    Yogo,

    Obama’s Detroit dissing tour? Confronting the crippled US industry about their failures and consequential economic gutting of Detroit, now the nation’s poorest city, is dissing?

  28. NMP

    “Donna Brazile complained that she had never got so much as a thank-you note for her service in 2000…”

    What’s the source? I’ve heard Donna Brazil sing Gore’s praises on countless occassions and is still considered part of his inner-circle of advisers.

  29. rikyrah

    The highlight of your assessment of Obama’s outreach (or need there of) was Florida. Most papers would never state this, but we all know why HRC is doing so well in FL: Jews and Latinos! She is the number two choice of AIPAC (slightly behind Giuliani) and Obama is ranked dead last. They said they don’t believe “he loves Israel” like Hillary. How would you suggest he overcome the combined disdain and distrust of those two powerful groups toward Blacks?

    But, I thought Obama was a lapdog of AIPAC? What, he now hates Israel? People need to make up their mind.

    What? Our Latino brothers and sisters aren’t warming to a fellow person of color? That they aren’t interested in an ‘ alliance’ with the fellow person of color?

    Oh yeah, because the ‘ alliance part’ is one-sided.

  30. NMP

    rikyrah,

    I never accused Obama of being a lap dog for AIPAC! Since he broke from script and expressed support for the plight of Palestinians and didn’t answer the Jewish question right at the recent debate (not naming Israel as our most important ally), all hell has broken out in the Jewish press. Am I the only one who recognizes that all roads to the Presidency go through Israel?

  31. Rick

    re: Hillary doing well in florida

    NMP/rikyrah: i read somewhere that florida could lose half their delegates as a penalty for moving their primary before feb 08. looks like that outcome would hurt Hillary more than Obama if she’s more poplular than him there…

  32. NMP

    Sorry, I should have said “expressed sympathy” not support. I’m exhausted, and it’s showing.

  33. dblhelix

    NMP — lots of comments today!

    WT is the paper of record for many African Americans in the Washington, DC area just as a substantial percentage of Fox news viewers are African American.

    Unfortunately, I could not find and demos on WT readership, as you surprised me on this. I’m not aware of anyone who subs or picks it up at the stand. It’s always the WP I see left behind in the train, too.

    Who is paying for this???

    FOXNews — it is well known that FN has very low AA viewership — one of the reasons they are anxious to do the debates. In fact, during the 2004 debates, Comcast in Detroit did not even carry Fox because of no demand.

    I read WT from time to time just to find out what the enemy is up to (as we all should).

    Here we agree, so do I — but primarily thanks to the internet. I am not methodical about it, so I will take your word on what you see for presidential coverage with no argument.

    Jews and Latinos! She is the number two choice of AIPAC

    MD has the second largest % of Jews in the US after NY. The vast majority are not neocons and do not follow AIPAC lockstep.

    Look at CT, which has a significant fraction of Jews. AIPAC could not save Joe Lieberman in the primary.

    HRC is indeed popular with Latinos, I agree with this.

    I think he has every intention of winning this election unbeholden to the CBC.

    He didn’t show Artur Davis the door, as he shouldn’t. State legislators depending on working with their congress members on any number of local issues, so I simply would try to obtain as many endorsements as possible.

    The CBC is not any worse than some of the heavy investors in his campaign.

  34. dblhelix

    NMP — damn wordpress just swallowed my responses to several of your posts. I’m just going to break it up now into multiple posts.

    Are you telling me that this is the paper of record for DC area African Americans? I’ve not witnessed this myself, so I don’t know. As far as FoxNews is concerned, it is well-known that their enthusiasm for the CBC debates is due to their extremely low Black viewership. In fact. when the Morgan State debate for the ’04 elections was broadcast, cable in Detroit did not even carry FoxNews due to lack of demand.

    I can totally relate to looking at the WT for oppo research.

  35. dblhelix

    re: Jews & AIPAC

    Most Jews are not neocons — I say this with some certainty as MD has the second highest % of Jews after NY.

    If AIPAC were that influential with the Jewish electorate, they would have been able to save Joe Lieberman’s ass in CT. Jews in CT broke for Lieberman’s challenger.

    Latinos — early indications are that HRC is popular with this group, I agree.

  36. dblhelix

    re: CBC

    Obama did not show Artur Davis the door, as he shouldn’t.

    Reality is that state legislators are dependent on working w/ their congresspeople for local issues.

    I would fully encourage Obama to make nice w/ the CBC and not try to make a point that he is not beholden to them. Why? Are they any worse than some of the big investors in his campaign?

  37. NMP

    dblhelix,

    Fox viewership within Maryland, which has a pretty large liberal and educated Black population, may be low, but I’m certain they enjoy high ratings among Blacks throughout the midwest and South. Maybe it’s like the proverbial car wreck, but they watch it.

    Last I checked, Lieberman lost the Democratic primary, but won the election and earned the unofficial title as the most important vote in the Senate.

    She can’t be discounting the influence of AIPAC? I don’t think many would argue that they aren’t the most ifluential political lobby in the world.

  38. dblhelix

    Last I checked, Lieberman lost the Democratic primary

    Exactly — this is where the CT Jewish electorate has most impact.

    Lieberman needed Republicans in the general to pull it out.

  39. dblhelix

    AIPAC? I don’t think many would argue that they aren’t the most ifluential political lobby in the world.

    Money, yes — voter share of the Jewish electorate, no.

  40. dblhelix

    “Are they any worse than some of the big investors in his campaign?”

    How is Al Wynn any worse than a Bush Pioneer?

  41. NMP

    “I would fully encourage Obama to make nice w/ the CBC and not try to make a point that he is not beholden to them.”

    In return for what? I haven’t read any public demands for Richardson to do fund-raisers for the Hispanic caucus or Hillary for female candidates that haven’t pledged their support to her. What, it’s ok for the Clintons to play hardball politics with the warning “you’re either with us or against us” and Obama has to play grade school politics with the CBC who clearly underestimated the viability of his campaign and now wants to cash in w/o anything in return?

  42. NMP

    “How is Al Wynn any worse than a Bush Pioneer?”

    And who would that be? The same Bush pioneer that contributed to Al Sharpton’s campaign or Hillary Clinton’s or John Edwards…? Clearly, the press has cherry picked Obama donors w/o mentioning that these same donors are contributing to Clinton or Edwards as well.

    dblhelix, I have nothing but respects for your political acumen and insights, but I’m just trying to understand the pressure for Obama to capitulate to the demands of the CBC out of loyalty when they haven’t shown any for a $10,000 a year dues paying member. What exactly is the benefit of membership?

  43. NMP

    According to CNN exit polling after the CT Senate race, 63% of Jewish voters supported Lieberman down slightly from the 61% that supported him in the primary. If AIPAC isn’t as powerful as they project, I wish someone would tell every politician in this country and every President since Reagan who has crafted US foreign policy around Israel.

  44. NMP

    dblhelix,

    You’re right; it’s a hustle…I don’t know anything about cards, but aren’t you supposed to hold them before you play them or something like that? Obama’s just holding his cards tight right now. He and the CBC will be fine.

  45. dblhelix

    (please post … if you don’t see a response, I’m not ignoring your comments, but I’m having a helluva time getting entries to post).

    NMP: 61% that supported him in the primary.

    Good catch, and I stand corrected — I had the numbers reversed in my head.

    Nevertheless, I would still maintain that 40% breaking away from the observant Jew/CT’s favorite son in favor of the goyim political newbie — Lamont had no political history — indicates that AIPAC does not have a lock on Jewish voting behavior.

  46. dblhelix

    BTW, to all of you in the DC metro area …

    I wish the WT would stop calling my house all of the damn time! I’m not going to subscribe.

  47. rikyrah

    rikyrah,

    I never accused Obama of being a lap dog for AIPAC!

    Didn’t say that you did, but some have, especially those that I would consider haters. Not skeptics, but outright haters (and, they are of the darker persuasion – not the Jewish ones)

    Since he broke from script and expressed support for the plight of Palestinians and didn’t answer the Jewish question right at the recent debate (not naming Israel as our most important ally), all hell has broken out in the Jewish press.

    Oh, I know this, but some of his ‘ haters’ refuse to acknowledge this.

    Am I the only one who recognizes that all roads to the Presidency go through Israel?

    Nope. It’s our 51st state.

  48. rikyrah

    NMP, Check this out.

    Yes, it’s all a hustle, but that’s just the way it is.

    But, I thought Hillary had named one of those Open Borders Radicals to the top of her campaign?

  49. rikyrah

    “I would fully encourage Obama to make nice w/ the CBC and not try to make a point that he is not beholden to them.”

    In return for what? I haven’t read any public demands for Richardson to do fund-raisers for the Hispanic caucus or Hillary for female candidates that haven’t pledged their support to her.

    Neither have I. I definitely haven’t heard anything about Richardson and the Hispanic Caucus.

    What, it’s ok for the Clintons to play hardball politics with the warning “you’re either with us or against us” and Obama has to play grade school politics with the CBC who clearly underestimated the viability of his campaign and now wants to cash in w/o anything in return?

    I hear you. I still think he should go one by one – you get my fundraiser when I get your support. Good, old fashioned horse trading.🙂

  50. dblhelix

    all hell has broken out in the Jewish press.

    Oh, I know this, but some of his ‘ haters’ refuse to acknowledge this.

    Only because you are treating the Jewish vote as monolithic.

    A significant gap exists between the views expressed by national Jewish organizations and those held by the majority of American Jews. A recent study by the National Foundation for Jewish Culture found that, among young people in particular, many said they were alienated by what they see as Jewish organizations’ unquestioning support for Israeli government policies. It is less than clear for whom such organizations speak in their lockstep support for the operation in Lebanon, which is now being widely criticized in Israel itself.

    link

  51. NMP

    dblhelix,

    You’re correct about younger Jews. They do NOT have blind loyalty for US and Israeli policy. Unlike their elders, they support peace efforts and support a Palestinian state albeit conditional. However, I think it will be several generations before we see a change in tide.

  52. nmp

    Brazile’s relationship w/ Gore is complicated. Perhaps you don’t recall however someone was brought in late to run the campaign in her stead, even though she was kept on with the same title.

    One of Gore’s biggest weaknesses as a candidate was his sketchy relatioinship with African Americans IN HIS HOME STATE, not just in the US. (That’s why I tend to laugh to myself when I see the progressive bloggers and Black bloggers falling over themselves whenever Gore is mentioned.) Hiring Brazile was a part of a strategy as much as recognizing her skills as a political operative. So in the end she endured some humiliation in her time with the campaign, however having that position has made her well off financially since then, so it was a good opportunity.

    all,

    this thing with Rep. Jackson Lee . . . these “campaign co-chairs” are going to pop up a lot between now and the election. It’s a title given to people wtih the ability and connections to do good GOTV or raise lots of money. They aren’t the same as Brazile’s job, which was actually day to day running of a campaign. There’s really nothing remarkable about the announcement except that HRC was able to call in a favor on Lee.

    Looks like the primary is still HRC’s to lose at this point if you keep in mind all the chits she’s built up.

  53. Denise

    Sorry for the response delay. I’ve been having connection problems. ::: slips on tin foil hat :::

    Anyhoo….

    It’s absolutely fascinating to me that a people normally inclined to distrust the mainstream media seems to have such a healthy appetite for any AND everything written for the sole purpose of widening the perceived gulf behind Obama and the Black community.

    Each of the editorials I shared recently were pulled from The Washington Informer – a free black weekly – which is hardly MSM. My point was to show that the notion of distance between candidate Obama and the black community is not limited to MSM.

    And since you raised it, that gulf you speak of is not perceived. IMO, candidate Obama created it when HE decided to dress the announcement his candidacy in political games by distancing himself from the participants at the SOTBU program. His subsequent weak response to MSNBC the Imus didn’t help his case for me either.

    Remember, the decision to not run a “black” campaign (whatever that is) has its consequences and he can’t have it both ways.

    I had a conversation recently with Michel Eric Dyson who was quoted in hit piece in the Boston Globe. He said that he didn’t know in advance how the story would be slanted? What???? You’re telling me that an Ivy League professor and Black cultural expert who has made a career of distrust of the mainstream press didn’t know that he was being used? He went on to say that he called Senator Obama to assure him that he didn’t know the slant of the piece and was solidly behind his campaign, but of course that didn’t get reported.

    I think the problem is that too many Blacks who would otherwise be ignored by the mainstream media are enjoying the wide cast of Obama’s limelight, and will say anything critical to get in the papers. For God’s sake, even Minister Louis Farrakhan understands the political compromises he has to make in order to pursue the presidency AND SUPPORTS HIM and has called for Black “constituents and political operatives” to show more maturity and resist the media ploys.

    Everybody doesn’t need to want or need to hitch a ride the Obama train, including Dr. Walters. It also doesn’t validate the idea that everyone wants to derail the train, either. I don’t buy this notion that criticism of candidate Obama equals manipulation by “masssa”. Frankly, the “no accountability pass” being advocated on his behalf is the FASTEST way to create a political monster.

    My question to you and others who are troubled by “reports” of him “dissing and slights involving various other black constituents and political operatives” is why are you so inclined to believe these “reports”?

    He opened the door for this type of criticism for the reasons I’ve already given. I heard his first response to the Imus controversy and I watched his announcement. No one is telling me anything.

    And exactly how much time do you propose he exert to disproving them–that would meet your satisfaction? Should he have a weekly press conference dedicated solely to addressing erroneous news stories while other candidates, White and Latino candidates, are afforded the luxury of addressing core issues?

    Now, now. It’s not that serious.

    However, if he managed to rake in $26M during the his first quarter of fundraising, certainly he can hire additional staff to address specific challenges to pushing and protecting his message. Oh, I don’t know, let’s begin with staffing. For example, get one or two writers to: (1) draft OpEd commentary to take his message to non-mainstream media outlets (2) prepare responses to unfavorable commentary in markets like the Washington Informer;(3) hire staff to monitor and mount more effective responses in the blogosphere. At best, this requires one or two full-time staff positions. In other words, spend money to take the battle where his opposition is. Duh!

    Frankly, this is the stuff political advisors are paid to propose and execute. My broke ass ain’t offering free advice to someone with a $26M (and counting) operations budget.

    You still haven’t answered my question regarding the influence of the Jewish and Cuban voting blocs in Florida? Even he “corrects” his behavior with the Black community and garners 100% of the Black vote, how will this counter-balance the Jewish and Cuban political mafia who would NEVER vote for a Black candidate because there is an inherent distrust that someone from our community can NOT represent their interest.

    I have news for you: he’ll face stiffer resistance in more places than South Florida. That said, I can assure you that there are plenty of people I would never vote for. It has never stopped those candidates from mailing literature, autodialing messages to my home, or making door to door campaign visits. Last I checked, resistance has never jammed up anyone’s campaign and it’s NEVER an excuse to avoid expending resources.

    In response to your question, NMP, I suggest that he survey those obstacles, set realistic and tangible outreach benchmarks and goals, and budget resources accordingly. To do anything less invites charges of neglect which, in the end, makes you end up spending money or other resources to clean it up. Remember the MySpace nonsense.

    Finally, the announcement of Sheila Jackson Lee as co-chair was significant to me because it represents a willing to take a political risk on the part of candidate HRC to gain black support. I ain’t seen anything remotely close in candidate Obama. It’s a clear sign of weakness that is opponent is more than happy to exploit.

  54. rikyrah

    Denise, I love your tin foil hat, and respect your skepticism. Keep it coming.

    But, um, what political risk is HRC taking in getting Jackson-Lee? It’s not like she’s Cynthia McKinney.

  55. Denise

    When has Obama stood by or pointed to anyone black in his campaign? If I’m missing something, please advise.

  56. NMP

    Denise,

    You are missing something…a lot. I suggest you look take a look at his campaign roster. He has the most diverse campaign team of any candidate. He has a number of African Americans in key posts. NY Times did a recent profile. I’m sorry, but your attitude reminds me of a lot of White folks who seem surprised and shocked when they “venture” (get lost) in a well to do Black neighborhoods or walk into a board room and see a Black person at the head of the table. Just because we ain’t shoutin’ “over hear over hear” doesn’t mean we don’t exist. Maybe because Obama, unlike most of America and unfortunately a lot of Black folks, is accustomed to being arround talented, well educated, professional Black folks, he doesn’t feel a need to cart them out and say, “look what I got.”

  57. Denise

    Well, in the interest of keeping the topic focused on Senator Obama and the ’08 campaign (not what Denise has nor hasn’t been exposed to which is not appropriate for discussion here), please send me a copy of that link if you don’t mind. ‘

    I’d love to see it because I want to know more about his campaign staff.

    I’m here to learn and share, ok? Thanks.

  58. NMP

    Denise,

    Sure, if I don’t have to sign up for Times Select which I cancelled in lieu of a Netflix account.🙂 And sorry, I hadn’t read your earlier post before replying to your last. Am I obligated to do a point-counter-point?🙂

  59. Rick

    “…Yet our best trained
    best educated
    best prepared
    best equipped troops
    refuse to fight

    As a matter of fact it’s safe to say,
    that they would rather switch,
    than fight”
    – Preacher, “Intro to Fight the Power”

    ————————————————————————-

    If I hear it correctly, the (open) question is simply this:

    “Will Obama FIGHT for us?”

    is that right Denise? it’s a fair question if you ask me…

  60. NMP

    Absolutely a fair question, but I think another fair question is will we allow him to do what he has to do to get in a position to fight for us. I would beg all of you to remember that Iowa and New Hampshire are still the most important states to win during the primary season. It should NOT be lost on any of us that they are among the top 5 Whitest states in the US. Is it fair that voters who have no value for diversity by virtue of their limited familiarity and interaction with people of color effectively elect our presidential nominees? NO, but it’s reality! Please someone tell me how can a Black candidate get the votes of these isolated Whites folks by running anything but a mainstream campaign? I’m not being flippant; I truly don’t know! Hillary and the other White candidates can speak to Black issues and get points for being sympathetic WITHOUT eliciting concerns that they will cow tow to the Black agenda. Obama does NOT have that luxury. Denise, I appreciate that your criticism is always coupled with suggestions. That can’t be said about many. I should mention that Dr. Walters was my professor at HU. One of my funniest memories (in hindsight) was his response to my proposal for a Black state (yeah, I was all Angela Davis at one time). Let’s just say that he reworked the old adage “God looks out for fools and babies.” In a nutshell, he told me that when I get in the real world, I will develop a far more pragmatic political philosophy. It’s because of this “evolved” sense of pragmatism that I didn’t join the chorus of criticism against Dr. Walters when he decided to leave HU for UMD CP for presumedly better pay and a higher profile rather than remaining committed to enriching and empowering young Black minds.

  61. NMP

    I’m probably dating myself, but Alvin Thornton was his better (or lesser) half at the time. I think he left to join the PG County school board.

  62. B.A.D.

    Bio: 5th generation Washingtonian. ’nuff said.

    I am enjoying your critique of my story on Obama and the state legislators opinions of the election so far. I spoke with about 15 legislators in Missouri, Georgia, Florida, California, Michigan, South Carolina, Texas and Alabama. Only five got in.

    Everyone has s different take on Obama based on if and when they have seen him, if they have spoken to him and if he has reached out, something I hope got through in the story, typical presidential campaign business.

    But here is why I decided to post. A little misconception about Obama and the CBC. When Obama ran against Rep. Bobby Rush in 2000, he was basically eviscerated by the CBC and Jesse Jackson as an “out of touch” uncle tom. It probably was worse, but being that I am not a Chicago reporter I can’t say definitively or certainly how much worse.

    When he ran for Senate in 2004 they didn’t help him — I wrote about that too — until he trounced his opponents in the primary. I don’t think a single CBC member endorsed him pre-primary.
    Political wounds die hard, no matter what people say, it’s what they do that tells the tale.
    But can you blame him?

  63. NMP

    Thanks, rikyrah!

    I’m trying to track down that in-depth piece which I’m certain was published in the NY Times. It goes into the core of his money machine that includes Earl Graves, Jr. and some very influential Black money people that certainly aren’t household names but doin’ their thing. It also features Cornell Belcher, a brother, Obama’s pollster and former lead pollster for the DNC who was on all the Dem candidate’s wish list. It mentions former Governor Wilder as a key adviser among other surprise advisers. It was published within the last three months, but the headline wasn’t really reflective of the article, which is why I probably can’t locate it. Thanks!

  64. NMP

    B.A.D.,

    Glad to have another Chocolate City native (maybe a little more mocha now) in the house, Especially one with his ear to the ground!

  65. rikyrah

    But here is why I decided to post. A little misconception about Obama and the CBC. When Obama ran against Rep. Bobby Rush in 2000, he was basically eviscerated by the CBC and Jesse Jackson as an “out of touch” uncle tom. It probably was worse, but being that I am not a Chicago reporter I can’t say definitively or certainly how much worse.

    It was ugly in Chicago. In his Senate campaign, Rush backed Blair Hull, the millionaire who got booted because of the rough stuff he did to his wife.

    It did turn ugly, but, to be honest, it was mild, in comparison to some other stuff in Chicago politics. I just accounted it as growing pains for Obama.

    I would understand why he wouldn’t forgive and forget so easily, but from where I live, it was just Chicago being Chicago.

  66. I’ve enjoyed reading everyone’s posts. Great discussion…

    It was also nice to see the author of the actual article chime in. How nice…

    I want you to know that you good people are teaching and enlightening me via this blog. Thanks for the insight and the push to pay closer attention to issues that I would just normally skim over. And oh yeah… Thank you very much, Sceptical Brother. Because this is your house. And you created this environment that helps me feel so at home.

  67. NMP

    Angela,

    Your blog will have as much success! I’ve already started circulating it.

    I know I’m like a dog with a bone about providing factual evidence of the diversity of Obama’s campaign staff, but here is a story that’s just been published on Forbe’s and MSNBC’s sites within the last hour about the diversity (or lack there of) of the presidential campaigns. It’s not the NY Times article that I referenced earlier, but it makes my point that he as the most racially diverse campaign staff of any of the candidates, which includes his Policy Director, Political Director, Pollster and Spokesperson. Almost half of his top 14 staff members are Black and Latino. If I’m reading this article correctly, both Clinton and Edwards has one of each among their top staffers and perhaps an asian or Indian sprinkled in.
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18716194/.

    I still want to get a copy of that NY Times (or maybe it was WaPo) piece because it importantly notes the deference he showed to all but forgotten or ignored Black political luminaries like former Governor Wilder by seeking their advice and help before choosing to run.

  68. Rick

    OT: Angie-
    don’t forget that if/when you get started on that blog on caring for the aged/elderly, you’ll have some help from us, mos def…
    Rick

  69. NMP: Thank you very much.

    Rick: The blog will focus on African American health and wellness. But of course, caring for the aged and disabled will certainly be apart of it. I want to offer tips and insight for caregivers as well.

    As for getting help with the blog… Wonderful! I really need some help. I wanted to solicit help. But I know that people have their own lives and own responsibilities. But if a few of us could focus on this, we could really get something moving. (Plus, my blindness kind of prohibits me from selecting a good templet/layout for the blog. So, sighted help is certainly welcomed.

    I already registered the blog. I will post the first entry this week. I found out this morning that May is stroke awareness month. Plus, Yolanda King’s death really has motivated me to take this effort as seriously as possible.

    Rick/Rikyrah, or anyone else, shoot me an e-mail, if you would like to offer some insight and assistance. Any help, even if it is a tad bit, is certainly welcomed. bradenspeaks@houston.rr.com I hope spammers don’t flood me. (smile) If they do, I’ll just change my address. (headache)

  70. rikyrah

    NMP,

    thanks so much! gotta keep that link.

    I’m going to keep on looking for that NYTimes article too. I, too, remember it..so, just have to keep on searching for it.🙂

    I would say this about Obama….he needs SOMEONE, I don’t care who or what they look like, to be making the regular political shows like Tucker and Hardball. HRC has someone on those shows every week.

  71. rikyrah

    argh, eaten entry.

    NMP,

    thanks for the link. I will continue to search the NYTimes archives, because I think you’re right about that article about Obama.

  72. rikyrah

    I will register this complaint about Obama.

    He needs to get SOMEONE – I don’t care what they look like, or who they are, on those regular political shows like Tucker, Hardball, etc.

    HRC has official folks on those shows at least once a week, and let’s not get into the unofficial folks – clearly on her team, but won’t admit it. I’ve told you, only Matthews busts these people and forces them to admit that they are on Team Hillary. The rest of the folks pretend that these folks are ‘ unbiased’ as they deliver their ‘hits’.

  73. NMP

    rikyrah,

    I agree, but I think it’s easier said than done, especially if the candidate’s husband is extremely good friends with the head of GE of Viacom. How about going back to the days of objective journalism or requiring a disclaimer that they work or support a candidate?🙂

  74. NMP

    rikyrah/dblhelix,

    rikyrah’s last post raises a question: do regulations which require networks to give equal air time to candidate’s extend to their operatives, particularly media operatives?

  75. NMP

    This is interesting…”Scientists cast doubt on Kennedy bullet analysis
    Multiple shooters possible, study says. “http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18709539/

  76. Rick

    thanks Angie. that blog as you described it will be awesome! i’m not tech savvy at all (hence the absence of my own blog) but I have a number of articles I’ve collected over the last year or so (some of them which were discussed in this forum like buying long-term health insurance, caring for the elderly etc) and I would be very happy to share those with you…sort of like an information “clearinghouse”. let me get some stuff organized and I’ll shoot em over.

  77. dblhelix

    (have been busy w/ projects last two days but have been reading as not to fall behind)

    NMP: I only have one quibble w/ your hypothesis of special pressure on Obama to mainstream.

    At the end of the day, isn’t it like saying that a white male (like John Edwards, or similar white southern male) may have the best shot at actually enacting an agenda that positively impacts those who are on the butt end of historical and deep-rooted social inequalities?

    Looking at the various proposals floated by Clinton/Obama — in all honesty, I would have to describe them as meek or tame. Part of the problem is that they are not long on the details (so perhaps I’ll change my mind in the future). Another part of the problem is that they are class-indexed (you will find no mention of “minorities” or “Blacks” on their campaign sites). Clinton has some gender-targeted legislation, but you can certainly argue that within the class of women, you have well-defined disparities by race.

    I’ve already made my reservations clear on class-based preferences with respect to education – it skews white, both due to their sheer number and due to the class definition: more aid given to families w/ income overt $100K than less than! Neeed I say more?

    You may have noticed today that the WP projects that by 2020, at the current rate of gentrification, DC is no longer majority-Black. We know that gentrification is a nationwide trend. I can speak to the same in MD’s “inner ring” (near Metro, in particular). So now I’m beginning to wonder how urban housing initiatives will play out. Same considerations apply.

    We can take nothing for granted any longer. Simulations needed!

    I don’t see how meekness while campaigning translates into boldness as executive — the same principles apply: govern over “one America.”

    Isn’t a southern white male the only type that has sufficient political cover to push for reform where needed to target social injustice? For example, let’s assume hybrid programs based on both class & race, just to make this interesting. Don’t we need a white male to fight for the appropriate balance?

  78. Rick

    “He needs to get SOMEONE – I don’t care what they look like, or who they are, on those regular political shows like Tucker, Hardball, etc. ”

    rikyrah: as long as he can keep them all “on message” i’m with youl. he would need to choose his people carefully though. remember alot of people like Obama because of his personal charisma and charm. Likability is one of his biggest assets. the last thing he would need is to have anyone speaking for him who comes across in a way that is inconsistent with that.

    Many people don’t like Hillary anyway so she has less to lose on this point because people EXPECT her (and her team) to be caniving, aggresive, mafia types. (“You are either for us or against us”). Well, at least I do. Because Obama is running this “high road” compaign, I perceive a somewhat negative reaction whenever those who associate themselves with Obama fought fire with fire.

    My own advice to him would be to turn Michelle loose whenever she wants to speak, and let others do so to the extent he trusts them to stay “on message.” well, that’s what i think…

  79. dblhelix

    Rick: because people EXPECT her (and her team) to be caniving, aggresive, mafia types

    Is it just me, but Carville, ugh. He just looks … ghoulish, yes, that’s it … if I see him, I turn the channel.

  80. Rick

    “Isn’t a southern white male the only type that has sufficient political cover to push for reform where needed to target social injustice?”

    dblhelix: ok, i’ll bite…lol
    Assuming that statement is true — and if history is any guide — there would STILL need to be BOLD black folks at the forefront to make the FIRST moves before our white liberal southern brothers and sisters followed our lead and got involved.

    Exhibit 1A: 1960 sit-ins started by 4 NC A&T students and the aftermath of black and white students protesting together in the South.

    re: “Carville, ugh. He just looks … ghoulish”
    Exactly! lol

  81. dblhelix

    Rick: there would STILL need to be BOLD black folks at the forefront to make the FIRST moves

    but we can’t be bold … we gotta be mainstream. Just trying to resolve a paradox🙂 Appreciate your thoughts.

  82. dblhelix

    BTW, I’m not advocating for John Edwards, although I plan to watch him down the line. Just trying to dig deeper at what to expect.

    Speaking of paradoxes, John Edwards right now must be praying for low Black turnout.

  83. Ogre Mage

    “However, I do find it strange that Obama would not make a CBC fundraiser a priority while working the phones this hard at the state lege level” — dbhelix

    Obama may have concluded that Hillary has Beltway Democrats locked up, and I would point to Shelia Jackson-Lee’s endorsement of Clinton as a possible Exhibit A. Therefore, he is making a strong push at the grassroots (state) level, where her support is presumably softer.

  84. rikyrah

    rikyrah/dblhelix,

    rikyrah’s last post raises a question: do regulations which require networks to give equal air time to candidate’s extend to their operatives, particularly media operatives?

    Republicans aren’t the only ones who don’t want ‘The Fairness Doctrine’ back.

  85. dblhelix

    NMP: rikyrah’s last post raises a question: do regulations which require networks to give equal air time to candidate’s extend to their operatives, particularly media operatives?

    Section 315 of the equal opportunity provision of the Communications Act gives an exemption to news programs.

    Over the years, Howard Stern, Jerry Springer, Phil Donahue, etc have all been found by the FCC to be, heh, ‘newsworthy.’ So, I imagine the talking heads shows fall under this exemption as well, irrespective of who is representing the campaign.

    Look on the bright side — I think next month, two HRC books (neither flattering) are to be released.

  86. dblhelix

    Ogre Mage: making a strong push at the grassroots (state) level, where her support is presumably softer.

    I can think of at least one state where this is true. Maryland.

    O’Malley doesn’t have a statewide political machine yet.

    I think Elijah Cummings will go with Obama, despite the CBC rift, if it exists.

    PG legislators are already folding their arms and saying they don’t necessarily need to go MOM’s way on this. And the Ghost of Mfume is alive and well.

    I’m interested to see what poor Cardin’s going to do. I believe he secretly hates PG. I’m convinced he wakes up in the middle of the night sweating after dreaming that he was living in PG churches again. I remember when Rick asked if Blacks really care about Palestinians — I laughed & laughed — you should have been here last summer, Rick, when any number of grandmamas were giving Cardin the business over Israel. You could see the strain all over his face, LOL.

  87. Ogre Mage

    dblhelix, that is interesting about Maryland/PG County. It looks like Sen. Mikulski is already in the Clinton collective.

    Here in Washington State, I am virtually certain that Sens. Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell will officially or unofficially back Hillary. Murray especially — she said Clinton was “fabulous” and they go way back, she entered the Senate in ’92, the year Bill won the White House. I am less sure about Gov. Christine Gregoire, but I suspect she will follow suit.

    However, Rep. Adam Smith is backing Obama. That was a little surprising as he is a member of the New Democrat Network. Then again, I hear they have somewhat of a rivalry with the DLC. The two most powerful Reps. in our state — Norm Dicks and Jim McDermott — have yet to get behind anyone, though McDermott said he would back Gore if he got in.

    At the grassroots level, the pie looks evenly divided between Clinton, Edwards and Obama. There is a strong independent streak in Washington (it was one of Howard Dean’s best states in the 2004 Primary) which might work against Clinton. OTOH, Washington is the only state where (white) women hold all top 3 political offices (Governor’s Mansion, both Senate Seats) and Hillary is a powerful symbol.

  88. rikyrah

    Look on the bright side — I think next month, two HRC books (neither flattering) are to be released.

    I saw Bay Buchanan on 2 programs tonight..LOL

  89. rikyrah

    I’m interested to see what poor Cardin’s going to do. I believe he secretly hates PG. I’m convinced he wakes up in the middle of the night sweating after dreaming that he was living in PG churches again. I remember when Rick asked if Blacks really care about Palestinians — I laughed & laughed — you should have been here last summer, Rick, when any number of grandmamas were giving Cardin the business over Israel. You could see the strain all over his face, LOL.

    I dunno if we really ‘care’ about Palestinians – it’s their situation, and the complete and utter resentment of Israel
    a) getting the lion’s share of foreign aid while an entire CONTINENT -AFRICA – goes without
    b) dictating American foreign policy

    that gets the goat of Black folk.

    We relate to Jimmy Carter’s book title – it was on spot with a lot of Black folk.

  90. Rick

    “but we can’t be bold … we gotta be mainstream. Just trying to resolve a paradox” — dblhelix

    LOL

    re: palestine. ok, I was wrong🙂

  91. dblhelix

    rikyrah: I saw Bay Buchanan on 2 programs tonight.

    That’s right — make that three books. I forgot about Bay Buchanan.

    dunno if we really ‘care’ about Palestinians

    Every time he said something about Israel’s right to defend itself, somebody was coming back with “what about the Palestinians?” But I hear you, it was probably just to rattle him.

    What are your thoughts on the negotiated immigration reform? I

    I am particularly concerned over the “temporary workers.” The SEIU is on the record for being flexible on this issue — very worrisome. I see the potential for union service jobs becoming worthless very quickly.

  92. dblhelix

    Rick: palestine. ok, I was wrong

    Well, when I think about it, the poor Palestinians may just have been a useful tool to jab Cardin with. But at least there’s a level of awareness.

  93. rikyrah

    What are your thoughts on the negotiated immigration reform

    You know how I feel. I feel it’s amnesty for criminals.Sorry, but I don’t do the kumbaya, alliance with our Brown ‘brothers and sisters’ thing. This is nothing but an insult to the Black community. A Black man can go to jail for breathing wrong, and they crawl across the border, take jobs from Black folk, steal folks’ identities and ruin their financial lives for years to come, and they get rewarded? HELL NO.

    I know it’s politically incorrect around here, but, I don’t see it as a positive for OUR community.

    PS- I’m still waiting for someone to tell me HOW the Black community benefits from illegal immigration.

  94. Ogre Mage

    dlxhelix, that was interesting about Maryland/PG County/ Sen. Cardin. It looks like Sen. Mikulski is firmly in the Clinton Collective.

    Here in Washington State, I am pretty sure that Sens. Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell will officially or unofficially support Hillary. Murray especially — she said Hillary was “fabulous” plus they go way back — Murray entered the Senate in ’92, the year Bill won the White House. I am less sure about Gov. Christine Gregoire (D), but I suspect she will follow suit.

    Rep. Adam Smith (D-WA) has endorsed Obama. That was a bit surprising as Smith is very moderate and a member of the business friendly New Democrat Network. Though they do have somewhat of a rivalry with the DLC. The two most powerful Reps. in our state — Norm Dicks and Jim McDermott, have yet to back anyone, though McDermott said he would support Gore if he got into the race.

    At the grassroots level, the pie in Washington seems pretty evenly divided between Clinton, Edwards and Obama. This blue state has a strong independent streak (it was one of Howard Dean’s best states in the 2004 Primary). That could help Obama. OTOH, Washington is the only state in the Nation where (white) women hold the Governor’s Mansion and both Senate seats. Hillary would be a powerful symbol.

  95. dblhelix

    politically incorrect

    I think this ‘deal’ is a disaster — specifically, the ‘temp worker’ provision legalizes the problems we have now — many of which you’ve mentioned.

    this deal says “2-yr temp workers (no citizenship)

    SEIU says “temp workers ok, with some sort of path to citizenship”

    AFL-CIO says “no temp workers, period”

    I’m with the AFL-CIO.

    Any sort of ‘temp worker’ program will just continue the current bullshit — just like Silicon Valley “can’t find” workers, the service employers won’t be able to “find” employees. The SEIU is just anxious to collect dues from a compliant rank-and-file. Legalizing a temp worker program is just H1-Bs for the trade/service industries.

  96. Rick

    Rick: “palestine. ok, I was wrong”

    dblhelix: “Well, when I think about it, the poor Palestinians may just have been a useful tool to jab Cardin with. But at least there’s a level of awareness.”

    oh, I was just being a lil bit of a smarty smarty, in light of rikyrah’s reply to my response to your post #110 🙂

  97. NMP

    Hey, dblhelix!

    I hope they aren’t working you too hard! It wasn’t so much a hypothesis as it was a question…how can a Black candidate speak exclusively to “Black” issues w/o alienating White voters, especially in White isolated states like New Hampshire or Iowa? We have no historical or contemporary evidence to prove that it can be done, but we certainly have enough to prove that it can’t. I know it’s only anecdotal, but I see NO evidence that White Democrats are any more interested in addressing urban or Black issues than White Republicans, even for the self-described far liberal. We just don’t live in a country where the urban or Black agenda is going to be a winning factor in a presidential election, especially for a Black candidate.

    I don’t need to remind you that the last Democrat to win a presidential election was Bill Clinton, and he did it by throwing Jesse Jackson under the bus—in his own house I might add—to prove to White folks that he would NOT be beholden to the Black agenda. He also did it by reminding White folks that Williams Fulbright, a known segregationist. And let’s not forget the ultimate show of “I’ll keep those negros in check,” attending the execution of mentally retarded Black man. Are we really proposing to hold Obama to a hire standard than one set so incredibly low by Bill Clinton?

    I believe I mentioned this before, but it deserves repeating. At the Nevada Health Care Forum a couple of months back, a young White woman challenged Obama on his limited “mainstream” health care priorities, expressly citing HIV/AIDS as NOT a “mainstream” issue. HIV/AIDS has long been a priority for the Senator BECAUSE of its persistent and disproportionate impact on the Black community and Africa (which is only 1/3 as populated as it should be in part because of AIDS). Where were WE at this forum or on the commentary pages to counteract her criticism that ran through the papers the next day like brush fire? Where were WE to say, “wait it minute…it may not affect you, but it damn sure affects us!” ?

    And why are we being so short-sided that “mainstream” issues are not OUR issues? As I mentioned some time back, I have a colleague who has taken a temporary leave of absence to work for the Obama campaign in crafting his renewable energy policy. He is one of the few people in the climate change community who has been vocal about the disproportionate impact that climate change will have on poor Black communities, particularly on the Gulf Coast. He was asked to join the campaign for that very reason. Hurricane Katrina was just a pre-cursor to the wide-spread climate change refugees that will be displaced by climate change. Is climate change yet another issue we are going to dismiss at not “ours” because it’s not prefaced with minority?

    Again, there are ways to speak to us without doing a shout out.

    I suspect Edwards will NOT get the nomination for the very reason that his proposals are too in-depth and too aggressive to win in a general election. Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t it a cardinal sin in election politics to be too heavy on details because it only gives your opponents more ammunition? It would be great if we lived in a Utopian society where heavy tax programs would be widely embraced, but proposing them during an election seems suicidal. To HRC’s credit, she knows the comprehensive health care issue better than anyone and thus knows it is a fake (losing) campaign issue that will be shelved just like lobbying reform, which is why she is only willing to commit to it at the END of her second term, i.e. “I’ll leave that for my predecessor to deal with.” I welcome anyone to tell me a candidate that has won by saying I’m going to raise the hell out your taxes. The type of policies, urban, Black or whatever we call them, we want Obama to push are policies you propose for your second term—only after a successful first term.

    I did see the new census reports on DC. I was tempted to post it here. DC is now only 55% Black and the numbers are declining. Meanwhile, 4 states are effectively Latino states. In light of this trend, in what state will an urban agenda help Obama and in what state would it NOT hurt Obama?

  98. NMP

    dblhelix,

    I wanted to catch you before you signed off to get your thoughts on Cardin blocking Fenty’s school reform plans b/c the White folks don’t want Oak Hill in their back yard again?

  99. NMP

    rikyrah,

    If you look at the new census report, they went from 13 to 15% of the population in just a few years. If the undercount is as massive as some predict, legalization could actually increase that number to 20% within the next decade. BTW, Clinton was caught having dinner with LA Mayor, Villaraigosa. You know what that means!

  100. Denise

    NMP says:

    “…Clinton was caught having dinner with LA Mayor, Villaraigosa. You know what that means!…”

    Denise responds:

    Yeah, that Obama should arrange to have dinner with him also. LOL

  101. rikyrah

    NMP,

    Already bought 3 copies…one for me, one for my sister in Minnesota and one for a Sistafriend in Philly. 🙂

  102. Rick, Thanks for that link. I’m glad to see Obama get some umf in his game. I like to see a strong brother that stands up for what he believes. I hope that he continues to make his convictions evident. I’m sick of scripting. I want to hear from the heart.

    BTW: Here’s a story written about Clinton going to New Orleans. I like her proposed plan. I’m going to search around and see if I can find an article that talks about what Obama has in mind for that region.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070519/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_new_orleans_1;_ylt=Au22XOd8XoRqqDQPt.9UY3lh24cA

  103. OT: From the Washington Post.

    James Dobson, the prominent Christian conservative who leads
    Focus on the Family, said yesterday that he could not vote for former
    New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani.

    Writing in an online column, Dobson said “my conscience and my moral convictions” convinced him that he cannot support Giuliani, whom he described as an “unapologetic” supporter of abortion rights.

    My thoughts: Just what I thought. I wonder who will the Christian conservatives support. See they can’t just jump up and support RG, simply because they tried to slay Bill Clinton with everything they had after they found out he was getting his groove on with Monia. The hard core Christian conservatives put out tapes, videos, produced specials, and dedicated the talk shows to the attempted destruction of Bill Clinton. They’re not going to openly embrace RG because they know that the same stones they used to try to puncture Clinton can be picked back up and thrown back at them and their endorsement of RG. They’re not going to get behind RG because of his open adultery.

    So, who will the Christian conservatives get behind? Trust me, it won’t be Romney. Remember, most Christians believe he is in a cult. That bird will be shot out of the sky as soon as the Christian and so called Christian masses find out. It just haven’t hit the underground wires enough.

    That’s why I say they will throw their support behind JM. As time goes by, he’s going to be the one that they think is most safe. At least that’s my opinion right now… (smile)

  104. Rick

    Angie: CO-SIGN@133. Word for Word.

    Thanks for the other articles. Regarding Clinton and New Orleans, I liked how HRC seemed to have a detailed plan of action.

    rikyrah wrote: “Sununu is a flunky who got elected on his family’s name.”

    Wait… the senate is a democratic meritocracy right????

    (shakes his head and steps away from the computer)

  105. rikyrah

    This the second big Holy Roller in the last week and a half who has come out, mincing no words, about not being able to support Rudy. The other one was some big Baptist dude, and he did it on Hardball.

    I have said, for myself, that if they do nominate Rudy, the GOP better NOT mumble one frigging word about MORALITY. Not one frigging word, if the nominate a man who had his WHORE in the house -WITH HIS WIFE AND CHILDREN. And, on the public dime, no less.

    I’ve also told you that Romney’s new evangelical ‘ friends’ – well, if those are friends, he doesn’t need enemies.

    I don’t know about them being with McCain. They can’t stand him. I think they’re waiting for Fred Thompson. I know Dobson has issues with Thompson, but Thompson’s done all the right votes, so I think he could live with Thompson over Rudy.

  106. rikyrah

    Not bad plans by TBQ for New Orleans. Nothing wrong with them at all.

    Rick…LMAO at you comments on the Senate…..hee hee hee🙂

  107. rikyrah

    Nobody commented on the story about Al trying to hustle an INTENSIVE CARE BOUND John Ashcroft to trample our rights. The visual of that is so foul..so rank……did anyone ever think they’d put ‘ John Ashcroft’ and ‘ protection of rights’ positively in the same sentence?

    Yet another reason to hate Shrub & Co.

  108. Imagine that John Ashcroft…John Fricken Ashcroft…is the good guy in any story? Only with this gang, where they have the amazing capability of replacing worms with even creepier worms. Knowing that, do you really want to get rid of Abu Gonzo? Cuz you know that they can find someone worse. Believe me, if there IS any one worse than him, they will find that thing and replace him with it.

  109. Rick

    rikyrah, Ernesto et al…
    Have a FANTASTIC Sunday!!!

    ps- rikyrah, glad you got a laugh out of that🙂

  110. Rick

    OT: Middle Kingdom’s Wall Street Shopping Spree
    http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070521/china_us_blackstone.html?.v=4

    NMP –

    Remember that “liberal-arts cross-over” friend in finance you mentioned in a reply to me about a week ago? (see last Monday’s “open thread”). English is the global monetary language, or something to that effect.

    Well, suggest he or she start looking into the purchase of a good english to chinese dictionary.

  111. NMP

    Angie/Rikyrah,

    Did she give that speech before or after the fund-raiser hosted by Bill Clinton’s long-time, personal friend, Sheriff Harry Lee? You remember old Harry? He was was the Sheriff who ordered his officers to prevent Black Hurricane Katrina evacuees from crossing into Jefferson Parish–at gunpoint no less. BTW, that “detailed” plan was just a water-downed version of John Edwards’ and countless NOLA community activists’ plans announced over the last two years. I believe in giving credit where credit is do. In this case, no presidential candidate running deserves more credit for attention to NOLA than Edwards.

  112. NMP

    Rick,

    I heard about this. Money analysts seem to think it’s a great thing for American trade. On the flip side, it’s nothing sexier than a brother who can speak a foreign language, especially Japanese or Chinese. It screams global financial marketer.🙂

  113. Rick

    “On the flip side, it’s nothing sexier than a brother who can speak a foreign language, especially Japanese or Chinese.”

    or a sister🙂

    “Money analysts seem to think it’s a great thing for American trade.”

    You own a very big home (govt obligation), max out your credit cards to pay your monthly expenditures (govt deficits), and depend on a bank (overseas lenders, i.e. China) to make ends meet (i.e. pay for govt services). the lender is ok with that because bank is getting fat off interest payments (or in the case of china, americans are taking the borrowed money and recycling them back to china so we can buy their exports). I.e. brief history of american trade.

    we can debate whether or not this is a “good” thing or not. I know heavy-weight economists like Volker don’t think it’s all that hot structurally over the long term.

    But let’s say now the bank (China) starts buying up interests in the house (U.S.) it already has big claims on. whether or not we need to worry would depend on the bank’s intentions.

    By the way, how did we get into this position in the first place? I don’t think it’s in our long-term interests to be so indebted to ANY country (just like in personal finance, I’m very sensitive about how much debt I take on). Whether it’s Black Enterprise encouraging financial independence for blacks or economists pleading for the U.S. to get our fiscal house in order – to me it’s all the same thing. When someone else is writing the checks, you compromise your independence. Same principles, in my opinion.

  114. NMP

    Thanks for the Ed! I only took what the CNN ‘money guy’ said with a grain of salt. He works for a media CORPORATION afterall. I barely got a passing grade in Econ 101, so I rely on the experts, like you, to tell me how to make the money. I just know how to count it. 🙂

  115. Rick

    “I barely got a passing grade in Econ 101, so I rely on the experts, like you, to tell me how to make the money.”

    ahhh, but that’s fair trade (black economics) at it’s finest. you specialize in politics, i specialize in finance/economics…we share information to help one another etc. etc. etc.

    now imagine if not just you and me – but the 12% “black” community (define it however one wishes) took on this principle of “trade”, interdependence and mutual well-being. This was the vision of Dr. King when he spoke of black economic power. That would be truly special.

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