From rikyrah: Obama gives major address on Urban Agenda and its gets 0 coverage

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I know we go back and forth around here about Obama, and I know that  a lot of folks aren’t haters, but skeptics, but this, to me, is sort of serious. The ONLY Black candidate FINALLY presents an ‘ Urban Agenda’, and it’s not even reported?

When I say that this speech was on par, in importance, with his speeches in Detroit, and his one on foreign policy in Chicago, I mean that. THIS is a major speech. And, if we, as Black bloggers, don’t try and spread the word that it was given, and the contents, then who will?

I count myself as being an informed Brotha and I ain’t heard nothin’ bout it.   Nothin’ in the Post or NY Times or Politico.com or Huffington Post or Mydd.  These are sites I read on the regular.  What do you think? 

58 thoughts on “From rikyrah: Obama gives major address on Urban Agenda and its gets 0 coverage

  1. interestingly, the only person who i’ve heard hit this dilemma on the head is jon stewart on the daily show.

    the corporations of media have almost dared the black people who can do something about it, to say something!

    what’s worse, the cats who did cover the speech labeled it and obama as some sort of cannon for the ‘silent impending black riots’. wtf.

    while i know we are all divided on what candidate is the best, i almost feel like educated black folks need to pull a ‘GOP, year 2000’ and just vote for our guy….because in the end, he’ll at least, AT LEAST, force these issues into a back-alley speech….even if john boy and his crew decide to cover the next chapter in paris hilton that day.

    who knows….he may even mean it….
    🙂

  2. Symphony

    I was only made aware of this speech thanks to black bloggers…specifically P6. Interesting enough I was watching MSNBC (I believe it was Tucker Carlson) with a box in the left hand corner saying, “We watch so you don’t have to.” Yeah, right.

  3. If you’re waiting for the MSM to cover Obama on anything positive, don’t hold your breath.

    Although Cathy Hughes over at TV One could have interrupted her re-runs of “Amen” to cover it, ya’mean?

  4. It was in the local papers here. Funny thing is that I was getting dressed around noon yesterday and had the news on. That was the first that I heard that Obama was even going to be at HU – they were reporting live from the HU Convocation Center.

  5. rikyrah

    I originally was writing something about how they completely blew the ‘quiet riot’ comment out of context.

    AND, that it’s no coincidence that they completely LIED about the context in which Obama used the comment.

    People kill me when they refuse to see that damn near everything written about Obama has a racial tinge….THESE stories are just blatantly obvious about it.

    The original AP reporter, pardon my French, was a liar.

    The CONTEXT of Obama’s statements were OBVIOUS…

    But, I guess only to me, who READ them…because I didn’t see any of what I read in these STORIES about his speech.

  6. Rick

    rikyrah – thanks for post 8 (that was me)

    re: Stepping out of Character

    Separately, you said a while ago that you thought white supremacy would have shown signs of finally waning when we saw America being comfortable with Michelle as 1st lady – given the strong outspoken black woman that she is. (Of course, I’m paraphrasing so please forgive/add/correct me if I am misrepresenting your original message). You went on to say that if America finally embraced a black woman such as her, this would be even more significant in that regard than America’s election of Obama – a black man – as president.

    I’ve been thinking about that since you said it. And I can see how a black woman would see it that way.

    But America has for a very long time been comfortable with black-male “Designing Women” character types:
    http://www.lifetimetv.com/shows/deswomen/bios/anthony_bio.html

    these are the silly, extremely friendly, smilely comic types that are “Safe” to be around (SB, sorry I needed to borrow for the desired effect). As long as black men act this way, every thing is cool beans. No problem…

    But what happens WHENEVER a brother decides to stop acting silly and take the smile off his face?

    You know the answer: America has a damn problem. We are branded trouble makers bent on starting an insurrection.

    So from my humble perspective, if I may say, we will ALSO see white supremacy beginning to wane when America gets a bit more comfortable with brothers who speak with moral clarity and with moral force on issues that affect the black community… (and who don’t necessarily smile all that much).

  7. Denise

    to: TPJ (Post #4)

    Co-sign!!!

    A press release to independent media and blogosphere communities- with an advance copy of his remarks – won’t hurt next time either.

  8. NMP

    rikyrah,

    The distortion of Obama’s speech has spread like brush fire through conservative media outlets and talk shows. The outrageously misrepresentative headline you cite and others have been picked up by most of the major media outlets, and reporters who should know better are fanning the flames such as Paula Zahn last night on CNN. She was attempting to be provocative, as much as a fake journalist with a tele-prompter can, suggesting that Obama was pandering to Black fears to increase his lagging poll numbers among African Americans. Luckily Roland Martin was on the show to blast AP (and by extension Paula) for distorting Obama’s message.

    My question to all of the Black folks who have been calling for Obama to stand up–for us–is will you stand with him now that he is put himself into the line of fire?

  9. NMP

    Political Junkie,

    Cathy Hughes is an outspoken opponent of Obama, even going as far as to invite Senator Clinton for an hour long one-on-one interview in August. I suspect she’s holding a grudge against Obama for helping to defeat Michael Steele, a Black Republican, in last year’s MD Senate race whom she supported.

  10. Kelley

    Cathy Hughes is so phony. She was sure cheesing and grinning in Obama’s face when she interviewed him on TVONE back in ’05. I can’t stand that woman.

  11. Rick

    let me break my message into 2 different posts
    —————-

    re: Stepping out of Character – Part I of II

    Rikyrah, you said a while ago that you thought white supremacy would have shown signs of finally ending when we saw America being comfortable with Michelle as 1st lady – given the strong outspoken black woman that she is. (Of course, I’m paraphrasing so please forgive/add/correct me if I am misrepresenting your original message). You went on to say that if America finally embraced a black woman such as her, this would be even more significant in that regard than America’s election of Obama – a black man – as president.

    I’ve been thinking about that since you said it. And I can see how a black woman would see it that way.

    to be continued…

  12. Rick

    re: Stepping out of Character – Part I of II

    But America has for a very long time been comfortable with Black-Male “Designing Women” character types:
    http://www.lifetimetv.com/shows/deswomen/bios/anthony_bio.html

    These are the silly, extremely friendly, smilely comic types that are “SAFE” to be around (SB, sorry I needed to borrow that term for the desired effect). As long as black men act this way, everything is cool beans. No problem…

    But guess what happens WHENEVER a brother decides to stop acting silly and take that damn smile off his face?

    You know the answer: America has a damn problem. We are branded trouble-makers bent on starting an insurrection.

    So from my humble perspective, if I may say, we will ALSO see white supremacy beginning to wane when America gets a bit more comfortable with brothers who speak with moral clarity and with moral force on issues that affect the black community… (and who don’t necessarily smile all that much).

    just my 2 cent pieces…

  13. rikyrah

    Paula Zahn last night on CNN. She was attempting to be provocative, as much as a fake journalist with a tele-prompter can, suggesting that Obama was pandering to Black fears to increase his lagging poll numbers among African Americans. Luckily Roland Martin was on the show to blast AP (and by extension Paula) for distorting Obama’s message.

    Can’t stand Zahn.

    Roland is half-crazy(in a positive way🙂 ), but he’s always good to stay on point where Obama is concerned. He doesn’t let an Obama-bash cross his path without standing up for him.

  14. rikyrah

    Cathy Hughes is an outspoken opponent of Obama, even going as far as to invite Senator Clinton for an hour long one-on-one interview in August. I suspect she’s holding a grudge against Obama for helping to defeat Michael Steele, a Black Republican, in last year’s MD Senate race whom she supported.

    And don’t forget her slam of Obama at the State of the Black Union. So, yeah, she is totally against Obama..I knew that from Day One.

    Though, I don’t think it has anything to do with Steele…if she wanted a Black Senator, she should have been out there stumping for Mfume when she had the chance. She’s part of that ‘ oh woe is me whining Black folk’ group that had NO business mumbling ANYTHING about Black elected representation in the Maryland Democratic Party after they bailed on Mfume.

  15. rikyrah

    Separately, you said a while ago that you thought white supremacy would have shown signs of finally waning when we saw America being comfortable with Michelle as 1st lady – given the strong outspoken black woman that she is. (Of course, I’m paraphrasing so please forgive/add/correct me if I am misrepresenting your original message). You went on to say that if America finally embraced a black woman such as her, this would be even more significant in that regard than America’s election of Obama – a black man – as president.

    Actually, that was yogo’s comment. One of the best comments that I’ve ever read.

  16. rikyrah

    But what happens WHENEVER a brother decides to stop acting silly and take the smile off his face?

    You know the answer: America has a damn problem. We are branded trouble makers bent on starting an insurrection.

    So from my humble perspective, if I may say, we will ALSO see white supremacy beginning to wane when America gets a bit more comfortable with brothers who speak with moral clarity and with moral force on issues that affect the black community… (and who don’t necessarily smile all that much).

    Rick,

    I hear ya. I definitely hear you…

    You are right.

    You know why I’m upset, Rick.

    I wasn’t at the speech.

    I only read the speech on paper.

    But, I just can’t believe that anyone who was actually THERE not interpreting the speech the way that it READ.

    Like I said above…don’t even talk about the Urban Agenda part..

    Just take the actual ‘quiet riot’ part of the speech.

    The AP man outright LIED…no two ways about it, for me.

  17. Rick

    “Actually, that was yogo’s comment. One of the best comments that I’ve ever read.” – rikyrah

    o i c

    i thought your comparison of a Aurthur Ashe vs Jim Brown type response was one of the best comments I ever read — and white folks’ discomfort with the latter’s.

    “But, I just can’t believe that anyone who was actually THERE not interpreting the speech the way that it READ.”

    Anyone know who we can write to at AP to let them know we didn’t like the coverage?

  18. NMP

    Denise,

    Will we defend his statements and fight against White imperalism that would have the media run headlines that he’s inciting riots rather than speaking to he hardship in many Black communities?

  19. Denise

    typo…I typed:

    ” I give him props for this applying the breaks on this appointment.

    I only corrected myself; I meant to say “brakes”

  20. Marcus

    How exactly does having one black parent and one white parent make you black? Is that the same way that Tiger Woods is black…even though he is one-quarter Chinese, one-quarter Thai, one-quarter African, one-eighth Native American, and one-eighth Dutch. How do the other ancestries not count? Why should he be expected to fight “white imperalism” when his mother is white. I don’t know him personally, but I’ll bet he’s probably pretty fond of his mother, even though she is white.

  21. Rick

    “How exactly does having one black parent and one white parent make you black?”

    Good question Marcus! I’m still waiting for the inheritance checks from my white ancestors who left me out of their will. I shouldn’t hold my breath though…A provision, “one drop makes you whole”, was written into the laws to protect white slave owning fathers from having to pass on any wealth to children born through slave mothers. Of course, being “black” meant you had no rights/claims in the legal system.

    So for the record, that’s how having one black parent and one white parent made us black.

  22. rikyrah

    Good question Marcus! I’m still waiting for the inheritance checks from my white ancestors who left me out of their will. I shouldn’t hold my breath though…A provision, “one drop makes you whole”, was written into the laws to protect white slave owning fathers from having to pass on any wealth to children born through slave mothers. Of course, being “black” meant you had no rights/claims in the legal system.

    Which was the change of inheritance that went against American and Western European tradition…until then, inheritance and national status was based upon the legacy of the FATHER.

    But, couldn’t have those slaves sired by the Master tippy toeing down to the slave quarters claiming that they were WHITE, now could we?

    And, if the’ one drop rule’ has been changed…please cite the legal change and when it happened. I’m a pretty aware person, and I don’t remember it being changed.

  23. Rick

    So then we have children born “black” — as defined legally — and getting screwed economically. No inheritance. No national status. Not even a minimum wage for a hard day’s work. This last one is really what gets to me sometimes…

    Assume one’s great-great grandmother, Paula, was born ” black” in the rural South (see posts 31,32) but ONLY had to work 10 years as a slave, say from the years 1853 – 1862. Work with me, Marcus.

    Assume Paula is paid $1 per day each year she works; and she squirrels every dollar she is paid under her mattress (i.e., collects no interest; blacks couldn’t have bank accounts). At the end of ten years, Paula accumulates $3,650.00

    On January 1, 1863, Abraham Lincoln Proclaims that she is a free woman. She dies days later, but not before she is able to deposit her entire life’s savings into a bank account where it collects a fixed-rate of interest, say 4 percent, from 1863 to the present.

    [all of these are very conservative assumptions: e.g. money market interest rates are currently about 5% and are low by historical standards; we all know slavery started way before 1852; finally, many worked all their lives as slaves).

    Marcus, do you know how much money would be in Paula’s account by the end of 2006?

    $1,035,365.58

    Marcus, do you now understand why we need to fight white imperialism?

  24. NMP

    Marcus,

    One answer: self definition! Unlike Tiger Woods who invented a race because he obviously feels his Black heritage is an imposition, Obama is a self-defined Black man, the one indelible right that we’ve managed to preserve through our history in this country. Most African Americans and people of African descent throughout the diasporo are products of miscigenation, forced or otherwise, so percentages of White and African blood are irrelevant. I had a grandfather who could pass for White with his sandy blonde hair and green eyes, a grandmother that looks like Sitting Bull and a son that looks like Shaka Zula, and I’m a mix of all three. So what? We are defined by our shared history and purpose, not genetics. Obama, like all Black folks, have been impacted by White racism and imperalism just as all White people have benefited from White racism and imperalism.

  25. NMP

    rikyrah,

    Roland Martin took it a step further and published a written response to the AP story:

    Obama’s ‘quiet riots’ are for real
    POSTED: 9:49 a.m. EDT, June 8, 2007
    By Roland S. Martin
    CNN contributor

    Adjust font size:
    Editor’s note: Roland S. Martin is a CNN contributor and a talk-show host for WVON-AM in Chicago.

    (CNN) — Conservative critics have been lighting up the airwaves and blogs for the last 48 hours after Sen. Barack Obama’s speech to the Hampton University Annual Ministers’ Conference raised the combustible topic of the burning anger among the nation’s poor African-Americans.

    Much of this was the result of a terrible story written by Bob Lewis of The Associated Press, who wrote in his lead that “Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Tuesday that the Bush administration has done nothing to defuse a ‘quiet riot’ among blacks that threatens to erupt just as riots in Los Angeles did 15 years ago.”

    After seeing the story I was stunned to read such a thing, and immediately sought the transcript of Obama’s speech. In reading it, Obama used the word riot nine times; the phrase “quiet riot” three times; and never suggested that America was on the verge of seeing African-Americans lash out like they did during the Los Angeles riots in 1992.

    But what he did try to do was give the 8,000 attendees, and anyone else watching, an understanding of what is a real problem in America’s inner cities. And more importantly, his blueprint for fixing the problem.

    “(Quiet riots) happen when a sense of disconnect settles in and hope dissipates,” according to a written version of his speech. “Despair takes hold and young people all across this country look at the way the world is and believe that things are never going to get any better.

    “You tell yourself, my school will always be second rate. You tell yourself, there will never be a good job waiting for me to excel at. You tell yourself, I will never be able to afford a place that I can be proud of and call my home.

    “That despair quietly simmers and makes it impossible to build strong communities and neighborhoods. And then one afternoon a jury says, ‘not guilty’ — or a hurricane hits New Orleans — and that despair is revealed for the world to see.”

    We all saw what that looks like when Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, and it was ugly and sad. Even worse was our government’s response to the crisis.

    But folks, this goes on every day. And we do a very good job of pretending that it doesn’t matter.

    Check out what often quoted conservative “thinker” Dinesh D’Souza had to say about this: “A quiet riot. Now certainly that’s the best kind of riot, because no buildings get burned and nobody gets stampeded or knifed or shot. And if it’s a really quiet riot, then we don’t even have to listen to shouting and can continue to work or read or watch TV without disruption. It would really be nice if all riots could be quiet riots.”

    See, guys like D’Souza, who know nothing about the conditions of the nation’s urban poor, want to sit in their ivory towers and pretend that if you just read, write and work hard, all will be well. And there is no doubt that the work ethic and willingness to do better is paramount, and encouraged — even by African-Americans. But it’s also critical to know that there are many who are working and working and working, and don’t seem to be making any headway.

    I don’t sit in a think tank and write papers and books like D’Souza and these other wholly ignorant conservative bloggers. In fact, most of my time is spent at 1000 E. 87th St., in the heart of Chicago’s South Side. That’s the headquarters of WVON, where I host a morning talk show. When I ran the Dallas Weekly, it was on the South Side of Dallas on Martin Luther King Drive (Why is it that the black parts of town are always on the south side? Maybe because north means going up and south means going down).

    And what Obama spoke of I see every day. I can look out our bay window and see men and women going to work each day, trying to make ends meet, and they often don’t. I see women walking their kids to school just to keep them safe, but inevitably, some don’t come home, like the 31 students from Chicago Public Schools who have been murdered this year. Oh, I definitely see the urban terrorists — gang members and drug dealers — who tear the fabric of the black community apart with their rampant violence.

    People shouldn’t have to endure “quiet riots.” They should be shouting from the rooftops, and we should hear their pleas. See, if someone is stranded on a roof and the tides are rising, if they want to be rescued two things must happen: One, they must make themselves visible for the helicopter to see. Second, the helicopter must lower a line to help them up. The pilot can hook up the belt and do all the work; the individual must be a willing participant.

    Obama gave a voice to the voiceless. As he said, they must do their part. They must work hard to escape poverty by going to school, do a good job at work and not be involved in crime.

    Let’s not treat them as if they are nonexistent. If we remain quiet in the face of chronic conditions, shame on us for saying, “God bless America.” Because we surely we are not being a blessing to our fellow Americans.

    The opinions expressed in this commentary are those of the writer. This is part of an occasional series of commentaries on CNN.com that offers a broad range of perspectives, thoughts and points of view.

  26. NMP

    Denise,

    Yes, I had heard about his challenge of that appointment. It wouldn’t be the first time. I would encourage you to take a sincere look at Obama’s record as a State Senator and then tell me that this brotha hasn’t addressed issues pressing to our community.

    The closest I’ve been to Chicago is a layover at O’hare, but I was sold on Obama when I realized we had a “connection”—albeit separated by geography and years. My very first job out of college was a lowly policy assistant (glorified administrative assistant) for a victims’ rights organization. I made no secret of my staunch support for defendants’ rights during my interview, but I was hired nonetheless because of my willingness to be objective and, on the real, they only had one other Black person on staff and it was impeding their efforts to get grants. Anyway, this organization, like most if not all victims’ rights organization supported, a repeal or serious erosion of Miranda rights. I’m sure Rikyrah remembers the case of Ryan Harris. In 1998, Ryan Harris, an eleven year girl, was raped and murdered in Chicago. The police arrested two Black boys under the age of ten. They were interrogated without the presence of their parents or recording. Not surprisingly, the police were able to coerce confessions from both boys. This, along with the so-called incontrovertible DNA evidence, almost sealed their fate. This caused in uproar in Chicago and almost immediately there were calls to mandate taped interrogations of juveniles, which put the victims’ rights community in battle mode. Back in DC, I was charged with drafting a press release decrying this as yet another effort to undermine the rights of victims and erosion of policing powers. I refused for a number of reasons including the improbability that boys of that age could have ejaculated. I mean, I wasn’t a doctor but everything I learned in high school said otherwise. I admit this was a blatant act of insubordination, but I could not in good conscious lend my effort to helping to rail road two Black boys, our boys, that I knew in my heart were innocent. Well, as it turned out, experts immediately proved conclusively that it wasn’t their DNA and they could NOT have ejaculated at their age. My job was spared because I pretty much saved the organization from embarrassment. Moreover, shortly thereafter the organization hired a new director that embraced a policy of “parallel justice” that sought to create a “balance” of defendants’ and victims’ rights. Anyway, it wasn’t until recently that I learned that the Barack Obama, as a state senator, fought for five years, on behalf of those boys and all poor Black defendants, to change the law in IL to require taped interrogations for homicide and custodial cases, the first in the country.

    I don’t care what anyone says…the brotha may not be out there with a bull horn crying injustice, but I know he’s focused on justice for Black folks.

  27. NMP

    OT: I should have said my first full-time (real) out of college. I worked part-time for a number of years before my son started elementary school.

  28. rikyrah

    How exactly does having one black parent and one white parent make you black? Is that the same way that Tiger Woods is black…even though he is one-quarter Chinese, one-quarter Thai, one-quarter African, one-eighth Native American, and one-eighth Dutch. How do the other ancestries not count? Why should he be expected to fight “white imperalism” when his mother is white. I don’t know him personally, but I’ll bet he’s probably pretty fond of his mother, even though she is white.

    Whenever I come across folks who ask questions like this, I like to respond in the following…

    Take a look at what West Africans look like. (where most of the American slaves originated)

    Now, take a look at the RANGE in the color spectrum of African-Americans in America.

    Now, tell me, how it’s possible, for us, to have the RANGE of the color spectrum….

    WITHOUT SOMEONE WHITE MIXING IN WITH US?

    It’s simply not possible, Marcus.

    Of my four maternal great-great grandfathers, THREE were White.
    BOTH of my grandfathers could have passed for White. 2 of my great-grandmothers were White looking SLAVES.

    So, just stop with all the ‘why does Obama call himself Black’ mess…

    Cause Black folk know it’s mess, and you do too.

  29. rikyrah

    BTW,

    When Tiger Woods won his first Masters, the headline around the world, irrespective of newspaper, was…

    Tiger Woods, First BLACK to win the Masters

    So, get real with that madeup description he had of himself.

  30. rikyrah

    In 1998, Ryan Harris, an eleven year girl, was raped and murdered in Chicago. The police arrested two Black boys under the age of ten. They were interrogated without the presence of their parents or recording. Not surprisingly, the police were able to coerce confessions from both boys. This, along with the so-called incontrovertible DNA evidence, almost sealed their fate. This caused in uproar in Chicago and almost immediately there were calls to mandate taped interrogations of juveniles, which put the victims’ rights community in battle mode.

    Yes, I remember the Harris case quite well.

    And, one of the footnotes of the case is…

    IFFFFFF

    the police had been DOING THEIR JOB…..

    They would have caught the killer BEFORE he had the chance to KILL AGAIN…..

    It’s a bitter footnote that their racist incompetence cost another person their life, in their rush to judgment against two innocent CHILDREN.

    And folks wonder why Black people don’t give the PO-lice the benefit of the doubt, no matter what socio-economic class they belong to in this country. It’s because we know better, and because the PO-lice haven’t earned the benefit of the doubt.

  31. Rick

    “Tiger Woods, First BLACK to win the Masters

    So, get real with that madeup description he had of himself.”

    I hear you, Rikyrah. I hear you!

  32. rikyrah

    The ‘misrepresentation’ of Barack Obama’s speech in Hampton, VA this week, across the ‘Mainstream Media’, originated from an ill-written story by Bob Lewis of the Associated Press.

    If you’d like to let Mr. Lewis and/or his superiors know just how disappointed you are at the outright distortions of what Senator Obama said, and how those distortions have spread across the media, here is the contact information:

    John Affleck – Editor (the only Editor listed in the National Reporting Section)

    Email: info@ap.org

    Mailing Address:
    The Associated Press
    Headquarters
    450 W. 33rd St.
    New York, NY 10001

    Main Number
    1-212-621-1500

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  34. Marcus

    BTW, Tiger Wood’s made up description?? Made up only of his mother and father.

    Earl (Tiger’s dad), a retired U.S. Army lieutenant colonel and Vietnam War veteran was of mixed African American (50 percent), Chinese (25 percent) and Native American (25 percent) ancestry. Kultida (Tiger’s mom) , originally from Thailand, is of mixed Thai (50 percent), Chinese (25 percent), and Dutch (25 percent) ancestry. This makes Woods himself one-quarter Chinese, one-quarter Thai, one-quarter African, one-eighth Native American, and one-eighth Dutch. He affably refers to his ethnic make-up as Cablinasian (a portmanteau of Caucasian, Black, American-Indian, and Asian), a term he coined himself.

  35. Marcus

    I’m sure that if the ‘one drop rule’ was changed and all people were notified across the U.S. that there would be a collective sigh of relief and everyone’s lives would be changed for the better.
    What about all the successful African-Americans? Why didn’t white imperialism or racism get to them. How could they possibly have made it so far? Oprah, Cosby, Robert Johnson, etc. If the ‘one drop rule’ to this day has not been changed, then how could they have made it so far…with no inheritance? How about teaching all children that they can accomplish anything as long as they do things like not get pregnant as a teenager, don’t use/sell drugs, and get an education. Not all will accomplish their goals, but a lot will. And is that not better than teaching them at an early age that all of their families hardships in 2007 are caused by white racists from generations ago? There are countless numbers of African-Americans succeeding every day who would never let anything get in the way of their success, especially dead white people from the past. I get so sick of excuses. Is there a point in time where you say…ok, there is only so much you can blame on other people. There are millions of very poor white people in this country. Did white imperalism get them too? How do you explain that? Poor, white, conservative people…you’d that would not be allowed to happen…but it does.

  36. Marcus

    I also find it interesting that when conservative African-Americans speak up about responsibility and accountability, they are attacked. Uncle Tom, house slave…you know the routine. Like it is a tragedy that African-Americans could somehow be conservative! What an outrage! How dare you think for yourself. Traitor! People like Cosby, Ward Connerly, Jesse Lee Peterson who see things a little differently are ostracized and ridiculed for pointing out factual statistics in the African-American communities. If you don’t identify and admit that there is a problem, it will be almost impossible to fix.

  37. rikyrah

    He affably refers to his ethnic make-up as Cablinasian (a portmanteau of Caucasian, Black, American-Indian, and Asian), a term he coined himself.

    Like I said, his made up term.

    Nobody used that made up term when he won the Masters.

    They said the first BLACK to win it.

    And, I see you conveniently just overlooked the explanation of my background.

    Yet, I know that my background is NOT unique.

    Like Tiger Woods and Barack Obama are the ONLY Black folk with other ethnicities mixed in with them.

    Not true, and THAT should be obvious….

    You never answered my question…

    You see how Western Africans look today.

    You see the variety of shades and hues that the Black community in America has today.

    HOW could we have possibly gotten our shades and hues without being mixed in with others?

    We couldn’t.

    So, being MULTI-RACIAL is nothing new in the Black community.

    It began when the first Slave Master tippy-toed down to the Slave quarters.

    PS-still would like the links to inform me when and where the ‘ one drop’ rule was done away with in America.

  38. rikyrah

    People like Cosby, Ward Connerly, Jesse Lee Peterson who see things a little differently are ostracized and ridiculed for pointing out factual statistics in the African-American communities. If you don’t identify and admit that there is a problem, it will be almost impossible to fix.

    First of all, don’t EVER lump Bill Cosby in with Ward Connerly or Jesse Lee Peterson.

    Mr. Cosby has been a supporter of the community long before I was even born. He has given his time, and his money to helping the community for DECADES. Before Oprah came along, Mr. Cosby was THE philanthropist in the Black community.

    Connerly and Peterson aren’t fit to shine Mr. Cosby’s shoes.

    As for the Sambo Ward Connerly (Uncle Tom tried to help people, Sambo was the one who sold out the slaves), he is the ultimate in hypocrisy.

    How did he make his money ?

    THROUGH SET ASIDES.

    That’s right; through government SET ASIDES.

    What he couldn’t get, he pimped his WHITE WIFE to get. So, they were getting GOVERNMENT SET ASIDES everywhere you look.

    So, of course, after he got rich OFF OF THE GOVERNMENT, he turned around and pulled up the ladder behind him, cutting off the avenue that had been the believed true path for success for Black folk since slavery – EDUCATION.

    Jesse Lee Peterson is another Sambo, plain and simple. Singing whatever tune his White benefactors want him to sing.

  39. marcus

    Jesse Lee Peterson’s organization provides public speakers, hosts workshops and seminars, and operates programs, including The BOND Home, in which young men aged 13-25 are housed and shown how to be responsible, upstanding members of the community. They also operate the BOND After School Character-Building Program and an Entrepreneur Program, where they instruct men and women how to budget, save, invest, and start their own businesses.
    Jesse sounds like a real CANCER to the black community…I guess I should teach my children the words and advice of other upstanding leaders such as Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Charles Barron…or maybe Sonny Carson. Maybe then my kids could grow up wanting to slap white people on the street..or be anti-white….or use colorful terms, such as white-interloper or hymie. And maybe if my kid is lucky he could grow up to be a man of the cloth and have extra-marital affairs with staffers. How any of these racists African-Americans can call ANYONE else a racist is beyond me. As long as both sides are participating in the hate…how can you expect it to end??

  40. Rick

    Marcus-

    Since you have issues with Jesse Jackson Sr, Al Sharpton, you should contact them directly.

    Rikyrah and I attempted to engage you in a discussion about race. We explained how race was defined legally, provided historical context, while also showing the astronomical lost wealth effect associated with being born black — which, in the broader context of time, was really not that long ago.

    While upholding themes of personal responsibility and accountability (and not blaming “the man” for our problems), would not a reasonable person also attempt to understand a potential relationship between historical conditions and current ones?

    Can you please more directly respond to the specific issues that Rikyrah and I are raising? Or, if you are saying the factors we raised are not relevant (i.e. because Oprah “made it”), explain why these factors are no longer important.

  41. Marcus

    Rick-

    One white parent and one black parent = black…got it.
    It was to protect white slave owners…got it.
    You could not have such a RANGE in color of African-Americans, without the white slave owner tippie toeing down to the slave quarters…got it.
    Sure, talking about the relationship between historical conditions and current ones makes for some good debate and conversation, but where does it get you?
    Neither of you addressed why there are so many poor white people all over the U.S. How could White people who were not victims of the ‘one drop rule’ also be poor? No slave owners tip toeing…no rule in place to prevent their inheritance. In a Capitalistic country like America, there will always be an Upper, Middle and Lower Class. There will be hard workers who are rich and hard workers who are poor. People of all colors have prospered in ways they never would have dreamed of decades ago. Some people just have what it takes to succeed and others don’t….of all races. There are so many poor people of every color living in America..so what happened to them to make them poor?
    My point is that if a person has made bad decisions in life that have led to hardships, it is bad to blame others for it. Worse than that, to teach blame at an early age so that a child feels as though there is nothing they can do to have a chance….and be convinced that their color may prevent them from achieving.
    I respect what you and Rikyrah are saying. You make your points well. I very much appreciate the ability to debate others on topics like these. I mean no disrespect…we just obviously see things differently…which is ok.

  42. Rick

    (I am enjoying the exchange as well, Marcus).

    No, we shouldn’t study history to blame others. We study history to recognize cycles where they exist…so that we can break them, particularly cycles involving pain, poverty. For the black faithful, an intimate knowledge of our past gives us reason to be thankful for the situations our Creator has delivered us from. Seen in that divine light, we study history not to be stuck in the past — or to return to it — but to move forward.

    Yes, Marcus, there have always been poor white people — including the white indentured servants who contributed to the colonies’ labor pool before America’s origins. But wheter they came here escaping a potato famine, or to flee from religious persecution, they came here on their own free will.

    Nor were they ripped apart from their families — and newborn babies — at birth. This morning I read a statistic in the June issue of Ebony that 80 percent of black children live a portion of childhood without a father present. That’s reflective of a cycle in my opinion. A cycle we need to break, for the sake of our communities.

    “The system is the devil’s lasso” – Nas, the world is yours.

    To your point that there are people of all colors who made it. Absolutely. But for every black person who has “made it”, I dare say most can describe traps along the way. I think it’s the responsibility of those who “made it” to share our cautionary tales with those who come after us – as well as to share the theme of personal responsibility/accountability. It is the hubris and dishonesty of the so-called “black conservatives” to say that they made it all on their own without any help along the way.

  43. rikyrah

    To your point that there are people of all colors who made it. Absolutely. But for every black person who has “made it”, I dare say most can describe traps along the way.

    Can I get an AMEN for this.

    I don’t know anybody on this blog, personally. I only know them from what they write. And how they write. And, I would venture to guess that we are more than likely college educated, if not educated beyond college.

    But, Marcus, we’re still Black in America.

    I don’t do the ‘ oh woe is me’. I don’t hang like that, nor does anyone that I’ve read on this blog.

    But, to dismiss our experiences as Africans in America is just wrong. It’s an experience no White person has ever had, nor will have.

    The millionaire Percy Sutton said,
    If I ever wake up in the morning, forgetting that I am Black, SOMEONE will remind me by 5 p.m.

    That’s just the way it is, and to pretend differently isn’t a luxury any of us on this blog can afford.

    I think it’s the responsibility of those who “made it” to share our cautionary tales with those who come after us – as well as to share the theme of personal responsibility/accountability.

    Amen again.

    That to whom much is given, much is expected.

    Period.

    It’s a legacy of generations, and I do believe we have gotten away from that, as a community, in the past generation or so.

    It is the hubris and dishonesty of the so-called “black conservatives” to say that they made it all on their own without any help along the way.

    Tell me about it.

    Ward Connerly – rich because of GOVERNMENT SET ASIDES.
    Clarence Thomas – got EVERYTHING he ever accomplished, because he was the TOKEN. Don’t kid yourself, Clarence Thomas was an intellectual lightweight who brown-nosed his way to the Supreme Court. Not only was he NOT the most qualified person for the court, he wasn’t even the most qualified BLACK REPUBLICAN judge, of whom, there was a deep and distinguished pool to choose from…what they weren’t, were Sambos.

    Like they did ANYTHING on their own. They might be able to shill that swill to you, Marcus. But, Black folk know better, which is why they are as reviled as they are.

    All they can do is talk ABOUT Black people TO White people – that is all they do. They don’t have boots on the ground, in the community, actually trying to make a difference. They get rich going around talking about how IF ONLY ‘those’ Black people would act like me, all would be ok.

    IF they meant any good, they’d pimp some of their White benefactors to actually SPONSOR their projects ‘ in the community’. But, that would mean that they’d actually have to work WITH the people that they criticize 24/7/365. Of course, they also know that their White benefactors could care less about sponsoring their projects, because they enjoy having those ‘Black folk’ to talk about, and point down to and criticize.

  44. Rick

    Angie, thanks for the kind words.

    rikyrah- you’re amazing.

    (you two are both amazing, but you know I already think that)

  45. Marcus

    80% of black children live a portion of childhood without a father present. Of course that is a HUGE problem that needs to be fixed. A single mother with 3 or more children with no father figure is a disaster waiting to happen.
    (One by the hand, one in the stroller and one on the way – Fabolous, Real Talk…happens far too often)

    I think all Americans should be thankful that slavery is over in U.S. and black people are prospering like never before. Name any field…there are successful black people. I think if you really hate all the injustices that slavery brought on, you’d be far more outraged by modern day slavery that is COMMON in
    Africa. According to Anti-Slavery International, the world’s oldest human rights organization, there are currently over 20 million people in living in slavery TODAY!! And where is this happening…Africa of all places. UNICEF estimates that 200,000 children from West and Central Africa are sold into slavery each year. And..the Sudan may be the most horrific example of contemporary slavery. According to 1993 U.S. State Department estimates, up to 90,000 blacks are owned by North African Arabs, and often sold as property for as little as $15 per human being. (again, this is happening now)
    Though most Americans believe slavery was abolished with the Emancipation Proclamation more than a century ago, the horrors of human beings held in bondage flourishes today.
    At least the U.S. moved on and the Civil Rights movement happened and African-Americans are more successful than ever. I would rather see millions of African-Americans coming together to do something that can actually make a difference today, which is stand up against modern-day slavery…instead of complaining about the horse and mule that never came.
    I’m just sayin…

  46. rikyrah

    Marcus,

    I posted something of interest for you under the Obama speech at Hampton University Post. Towards the end of the post.

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