Till the last Dog Dies

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Democratic Primary Results

Real-time Race Results: Updated May 13, 2008 – 10:41 PM (all times Eastern Standard)
Precincts Reporting 61%

Candidate Votes Vote % Delegates Projected Winner
Clinton 144,518 65% 17 Winner
Obama 61,400 28% 8

Riding on an unprecedented wave of ignorance and fear, Hillary Clinton claimed victory over Barack Obama in West Virginia’s Democratic Primary tonight. The specter of the Safe Negro scared the hell out of a great many of West Virginia’s working class white voters and that is all right by her.

She has won a pyrrhic victory and another reason to continue her futile quest for imperial power by pandering to fearful white voters in all 50 states.

Trailing in the popular vote, pledged delegates, super delegates, and in popular opinion, the only reason to continue at this point is to exacerbate Democratic Party divisions and doom Obama’s general election viability.

51 thoughts on “Till the last Dog Dies

  1. Nquest

    “Riding on an unprecedented wave of ignorance and fear…”

    roflmao!!!!

    And you had the video to prove it. (“He’s Muslim…”)

    Un-fvcking-believable!!

  2. newman

    HILARY WINS THE WHITE TRASH VOTES, YIPPIE YI YAE, OR IS IT YO? WHATEVER IT IS I’M SURE OBAMA CAN DO WITHOUT IT……

  3. newman

    HILARY WINS THE WHITE TRASH VOTES, YIPPIE YI YAE, OR IS IT YO? WHATEVER IT IS I’M SURE OBAMA CAN DO WITHOUT IT……

  4. Pater Fam

    There was talk that Obama would bail out Billary’s debts if she quit and worked to promote his candidacy this fall.

    At this point, the only way she would get any money from Obama if I were him, would be if she were on her hands and knees, biting a pillow.

    Let her toothless, white, hard working, unwashed, NASCAR, WWF, uneducated, trailer-trash supporters (who in other circumstances would not be allowed anywhere near the Clintons – who wants to bet that Chelsea will not marry a boy whose given name is Luke, Jethro, Ricky or Bobby or Caleb?) raise the money to erase her 11million dollar debt.

  5. Most important election of the night:

    Mississippi’s First Congressional District.

    This didn’t ‘lean GOP’. It was SOLID GOP.

    The Democrat WON, by 8 points, even after the attempts to swiftboat Childers by using Obama and Dr. Wright.

    Mississippi, SB.

    Mississippi.

    This was Hillpatine’s last card.

    First, Hastert’s seat.
    Then, the Louisiana seat a couple of weeks back.

    Tonight, Mississippi.

    This was it. The last ‘ argument’ Hillpatine had against Obama to the SuperDelegates – his potential to be a ‘ drag’ on downticket Democrats.

    Childers WON a solid GOP seat in MISSISSIPPI.

    Biggest election of the night.

  6. The specter of the Safe Negro….

    LOL

    The thing that cracked me up, in a sad, pathetic way, was that I never heard African-American used by any of Hillary’s Rubes. Lord, I heard ‘colored’ and ‘Negro’ used more than once in interviews….I’m like WTF?

  7. Lance

    The Hillbillies that voted for Hillary were not voting out of fear of a “safe negro”. They were voting out of economic fear, clinging to the false promises of their newly minted “populist” momma.

    I’m not saying that there aren’t plenty of racially backward thinking people in WV (heck WV is practically synonymous with backwardness) but these rubes fell for the Billary “I feel your pain” shtick.

    I hope the megalomaniacal phony keeps pushing her desperate kamikaze campaign until every Democrat sees her for the conniving shrew that she really is. Hopefully she will auger in so deep that her political career will never emerge from the crater.

  8. Mrs Flowers

    This is a racist campaign. I do find it funny how all the African Americans (which im sure most arent from Africa-they dont even know their family tree) swagger toward Obama. Coming from NWI- Im more black than he is and Im whiter than rice. Its sad actually. The blacks think he was raised in the ghetto or something and that hes proud of people on welfare. OPEN your eyes. Aint his mama white? OMG he does have WHITE in him??? So does this mean he isnt 100% black?? He is whiter than me going to his pristine colleges and hanging out with all the white folks. Look past skin and handsome looks and he is nothing. He hasnt done crap for the city of Chicago what makes you think he is going to do anything for the US?
    He is going to win and make a fool out of himself. he cant even debate Hillary how is he going to debate with Kim Jong IL? LOL!!!!!

  9. TripLBee

    Bill Clinton’s rants on the campaign trail are barely distinguishable from George Wallace. How the mighty hath fallen.

  10. tbath

    Crying ‘racism’ everytime Obama doesn’t perform well, only makes those yelling it look small. For Obama to rise above racism rhetoric in this campaign his supports have to rise above it too. There are many nonracist reasons the people of West Virgin didn’t go for Obama. They didn’t get to meet him (he barely campaigned there) and Obama has not spoke much on the economy (their number one issue). There are legit reasons why they chose not to go for Obama. The important lesson is to figure out what West Virginians need to hear and start preaching to them before the November election. Calling them all ‘racist’ and writing them off, is the kind of attitude that causes us to lose the election come Nov.

  11. tbath,

    Nice Try. However, when 22% of the Democratic Party electorate point to race as important in deciding their vote for president, and over 80% of them vote for Hillary, that is really only the tip of the iceberg. Racially motivated voting in a state with a smattering of black folks (3%), is an indication of deep seated racial animus, ignorance, and fear.

    Whitewashing it as you’ve done is not going to minimize its importance or make it go away. For the record, I am an Obama critic. I dislike his persistent pandering to white voters irrational fears regarding his former Pastor and his disinclination to address the blatant racism displayed by segments of the electorate.

  12. RisingTide

    Yes, BUT.

    SkepticalBrotha, now may not be the time to call people out on racism. Now may be the time to speak to that Appalachian tradition, remind them that they had the first Abolitionists there, remind them of tolerance, remind them that they didn’t care none when they integrated the schools.

    Oh, and talk a bit more about the economy too.

    But we ain’t doing it for the bitter black-hatin’ folks. We’re doing it for people other places, who don’t like to see us hatin on anyone.

    Yeah huh, some of them are racist. But it don’t do us much good to talk to it, or talk about it.

    And on the news I heard that a third of white voters citing race voted for Obama in WV(different exit poll). Can someone get me a link?

    Personally, I can be proud of West Virginia, just for that number.

  13. sorry for the caps…they just announced it on the local news. Obama’s in my town tonight, G-Rap, Michigan and supposedly John Edwards is going to announce his endorsement at the event tonight. I’m thinking of going down there, but I might stay home and watch on TV.

    That last dog might just have been put down.

  14. sixseven

    WEST VIRGINIA…A state populated by a working-class electorate that’s about 97% white, older, “less educated” and relative broke …and she is proud of this victory?

    She planted the seed of doubt about BO’s faith when she claimed, during the “60 Minutes” interview that “as far as she knew, he was not a Muslim,” paving the way for the type of ignorance displayed in the video above.

    It is just incredible that although Senator Obama has been put through the wringer regarding his pastor, there are still people who think he is Muslim. Is this deliberate naivete or pathetic ignorance?

    He wore a flag pin again yesterday, I guess in an attempt to appease those who also question his patriotism. I had really hoped that he would not have caved on this issue, but I understand.

    Call it unprincipled, but I think he sees the finish line now and doesn’t want to risk blowing it over a relatively minor issue. A little strategic compromise is in order.

    I guess a man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do!

    Pater Fam:

    “At this point, the only way she would get any money from Obama if I were him, would be if she were on her hands and knees, biting a pillow.”

    …Love it!

  15. newman

    Is he muslim, is he really black, naw, he just crazy to want this job… Nevertheless, he has applied for it and he has my vote.

    “This process has brought out the good and bad in all of us. Therefore, let me correct my bad and apoligized for affending WEST VIRGINIANS”.

    THE WORLD CAN’T AFFORD ANOTHER RACIST!

  16. Nquest

    Rising Tide,

    Now is the time for the foolishness to stop. S-Brotha was quite clear and there is absolutely nothing to be gained but second class citizenship from playing make-believe with voters who still question whether he is a Muslim.

    That’s the way White Supremacy work. Obama can’t do X because of what some White folk might think. Obama has to explain Y because of what White folk have been lead to believe by enemies of Obama’s campaign, Republican and Democrat.

    The stuff you’re talking about (and Obama’s willful, though perhaps initially reluctant, pandering) brings to mind MLK’s Mountain Top speech where he referenced how Negroes in that time made a habit of “scratching where they didn’t itch, and laughing when they were not tickled.”

    Now is the time to put that to an end and, most importantly, now is the time to stop scratching White folk’s itch. Obama can confront the “silly season” of Guilt By Association and Demonization with the same kind of appeal to the best in/among them. But, no. With all the gift and skill he has and with all the king horses/men/women he has working for/with him in his campaign he jumped at the chance to scratch that (their) Rev. Wright itch amongst others.

    And for what??

    Obama certainly didn’t gain any voters by doing that. The whole drama was all about hearing him say, “My name is Toby” while spitting on Black folks in the process. Which segues right into another historical reference. I’m think of the one where Harriet Tubman talked about how many more slaves she could have helped lead to freedom…

    But it’s funny how the scratchin’ and itchin’ stuff works. Folks talk all this “it don’t do us much good to talk to it, or talk about it” but never take that attitude when the thirsty mob demanded Obama scratch that itch and “talk to and about” Rev. Wright and whatever was supposed to be wrong with Rev. Wright views… which Obama broaden to be both a generational thing (which is straight bs) and something that’s a problem with certain people who “focus so much” on seeing the world through their particular lens (the lens of the “oppressed”) that they fail to see what we have in common.

    Now, you might share those views and there might be an appropriate time to make that argument but it strikes me as a matter of fundamental disrespect given the perverse and blatant double-standard involved. And, in the great Hillary Clinton (sarcasm ya’ll), there is a pattern here.

    But maybe it’s my lens. Maybe I just can’t stand the sight of White Privilege and White Supremacy as espoused, co-signed or otherwise endorsed by someone Black, half or otherwise.

    I mean, it is nothing but slap-in-the-face irony with an insult to back it up when, after all kinds of race-baiting by Campaign Hillary, Obama, with big chunks of voting demographics that say they won’t vote for him because he is Black (or Muslim, etc.) to turn around and PANDER with the politics of itch-scratching as if it is Black people including Rev. Wright who have the problem with seeking common ground as if that’s Black people’s job. It’s the price we have to pay to even think about playing.

    Of course, White folks are excused. If anything, it’s optional for them and that’s what people keep accepting, Obama included. As long as you accept and choose to play a game with a different set a rules the rules will never change.

    But, go ahead… Talk about how noble it is to scratch somebody else’s itch or to scratch where you don’t have one.

    But then again… Maybe Obama did attend Rev. Wright’s church close to some 20 years and didn’t know that the theology was infused with an Afrocentric viewpoint (even when that’s what Obama indicated was the genius and drawing point of the church — it making the Bible relevant to/in the lives of “ordinary Black folk”). And maybe Obama is correct about how a whole generation of men and women who came of age at the same time Rev. Wright did. Maybe he’s right when he talks about how those people from that generation have an outdated, distorted view of America. Maybe Rev. Wright never did say “governments change.” I mean, when Obama sought to scratch that itch he claimed that Rev. Wright “spoke as if there had been no change.”

    Lying mf!!!

    Whatever happen to accentuating the positive and talking about how much he had in common with Rev. Wright and the whole generation of men and women in his age group? lol

    Hillary ain’t the only one speaking in thinly veiled code.

  17. Befree

    Obama is wearing the hell out of that Flag Pin. Hillary running around in PA like she Kitty from Gun Smoke. At this point this race to the white house is a circus.

  18. RisingTide

    Nquest,

    Yeah, there are some things Obama has said that I don’t agree with. There are some things that Rev. Wright has said that I also don’t agree with.

    They’re both good men.

    I have heard from some white southern voters that Obama handled that whole Rev. Wright mess “just right.” Not sure if they’re representative, or nothing, but….

    Obama continuing to insist that Rev.Wright is fair game is just idiotic.

  19. Nquest

    Yeah, there are some things Obama has said that I don’t agree with. There are some things that Rev. Wright has said that I also don’t agree with.

    That’s pretty vague. That’s like saying, “some things Obama has said that I don’t agree with. There are some things that Clinton has said that I also don’t agree with.”

    Vague statements like that don’t say what was disagreeable and tell us nothing about the depth of the disagreement; whether the disagreement is over style and semantic over more substance and principle related issues.

    Seems to me all disagreements aren’t alike.

    Obama continuing to insist that Rev.Wright is fair game is just idiotic.

    Obama insisting that Rev. Wright is “wrong” about America is idiotic.

  20. RisingTide

    Hey, if Obama can use all those ol’ glittering generalities, so can I!

    To be specific: I believe that any differences in learning styles between blacks and whites are purely based on cultural differences. There is no genetic difference. Therefore, some reeducation on both ends might be productive (Chomsky, that famous linguist, had a great rant on how blacks are not less lingually proficient, and how their culture values language highly).

    I believe that the United States did not cause AIDS, and that Rev. Wright quoting someone who believes in crystal healing (and other kookery), instead of a peer-reviewed journal was just wrong.

    As for Obama, I don’t think going on Fox and not being confrontational was the best tactic ever. Obama seems sometimes to be a little bit “full of the quip” — extremely proud when he can find a way to slyly insinuate something without actually saying it. Saying things that are slyly sexist against Hillary is something I disagree with. I also don’t agree with using Republican Talking Points against democrats. Period.

    Personality wise, I think I identify more with Rev. Wright than Obama. But I don’t vote on personality, and I don’t really understand why anyone would.

  21. Nquest

    What are the peer-reviewed theories on AIDS, its origins and spread?

    What is a straw man?

    I believe that any differences in learning styles between blacks and whites are purely based on cultural differences. There is no genetic difference.

    What is the point? Did Rev. Wright claim there were GENETIC difference?

    Again, what is a straw man?

  22. Nquest

    quoting someone who believes in crystal healing

    First: who are you talking about? Who was he quoting?

    WRIGHT: Have you read Horowitz’s book, “Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola,” whoever wrote that question? Have you read “Medical Apartheid”? You’ve read it?

    Second: what is a ad hominem? Please explain the relevance of a belief in “crystal healing” to factual/theoretical evidence regard the origin/invention of AIDS.

    Also explain where your comments about genetics come from. Rev. Wright made an explicit, culture-based argument about the difference in learning styles. He damn sure didn’t quote someone like Charles Murray. No, he referred to finds across a number of fields that had NOTHING to do with “genetics”:

    “Now, what is true in the field of education, linguistics, ethnomusicology, marching bands, psychology and culture is also true in the field of homiletics, hermeneutics, biblical studies, black sacred music and black worship.”

    And funny how you mentioned linguistics, cited Chomsky, when that’s the very thing Rev. Wright spoke on. So, why don’t you be honest because this GENETICS vs. CULTURE thing is a fabricated, non-existent issue.

    Rev. Wright never made a “genetic” argument for you to disagree with. So what’s your real issue?

  23. RisingTide

    For peer-reviewed stuff:
    http://www.aegis.com/news/afp/2001/AF0104F2.html

    If it is purely cultural, I believe that there is a good probability that both sides could stand to have some cultural intercourse. That is to say, I do not believe that blacks and whites should be taught differently. I believe that embracing aspects we like about multiple cultures is a good thing. [what you see here is me taking your criticism, acknowledging it, and revising myself to clarify what it is I continue to disagree with. thanks for the reality check!]

    And from what I remember reading on DailyKos, Rev. Wrights sources were later discredited (on the cultural thingummies).

    Now as to why I object to the dentist talking about vaccines… I graduated with physics as my undergrad. I don’t talk about organic chemistry without doing my homework.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Horowitz

    The man is a kook, and citing him as your only evidence that USA created AIDS, makes you a kook too. (you, in this case, refers to reverend wright).

    Leaving many of your questions aside, as I believe they are rhetorical (in both senses).

  24. RisingTide

    For peer-reviewed stuff:
    http://www.aegis.com/news/afp/2001/AF0104F2.html

    If it is purely cultural, I believe that there is a good probability that both sides could stand to have some cultural intercourse. That is to say, I do not believe that blacks and whites should be taught differently. I believe that embracing aspects we like about multiple cultures is a good thing. [what you see here is me taking your criticism, acknowledging it, and revising myself to clarify what it is I continue to disagree with. thanks for the reality check!]

    And from what I remember reading on DailyKos, Rev. Wrights sources were later discredited (on the cultural thingummies).

    Now as to why I object to the dentist talking about vaccines… I graduated with physics as my undergrad. I don’t talk about organic chemistry without doing my homework.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Horowitz

    The man is a kook, and citing him as your only evidence that USA created AIDS, makes you a kook too. (you, in this case, refers to reverend wright).

    Leaving many of your questions aside, as I believe they are rhetorical (in both senses).

    When I first heard that Rev. Wright had said something about the US creating Aids, my first question was, “when did he say that?” because in my mind, there was a significant portion of time where the origin was in doubt.

  25. imhotep

    She’s staying in the race as long as she can so she can avoid campaigning for BO as long as possible.
    This woman will do anything to prevent the “great white humbling” that’s waiting for her. At some point she’s going to have to kiss the ring of BO. Hehe, I can’t wait. Obama’s never going to get the “Cracker Vote”, those uneducated, backwoods type folks don’t like the idea of a Black man passing them up on the social status scale, bottom line.
    I love the crackers, cause they aren’t going to trick you. No siree bob, they tell you upfront they don’t like the blacks, and by gum, they stick to it. Unlike the older, angry, educated white women, who will lie in your face, and tell you they aren’t racist then turnaround and sabotage a brother or sister in a heartbeat.
    America , home of the brazen, land of the fearful.

  26. newman

    One thing I don’t understand is how can some people try to act as if Rev. WRIGHT is a crazy uncle or something when he mentioned
    Aids being used as a wicked devise against black people. I’m 40yrs old and I can recall in school, teachers used to say, “The world is getting over populated.” As time past I didn’t here it as much. Could it be one of many solutions was found. aids being one of them? And who better yet to test the solution on? that’s right, yourstruly, (The so-called 3/5 humans.) It’s strange how we got all these birth control methods available. Is it just a coincidence that The Christian Right strongly oppose abortion when it comes to their babys being aborded. But “There’s a planned parenthood doing business like McDonalds down
    the street from a church where I live. It’s call population control. or should i say,” keeping control of power”. I bet you if we was still living on plantations and forced to multiply for the benefit of MR. CHARLIE’S estate there would be no aids. And if so, there surely would have been a cure available to all. To not see all this, you must have a good job that requires you not to think on your off days…..

  27. newman

    Check out obama with that “I AM LEGEND” stroll while he talk to reporters. “Muslim? shit, they better make sure he’s not a, “PEE EYE EM PEE.”

  28. RisingTide

    Newman,

    Kindly shut up. Rev. Wright quoted a nice book about what has REALLY HAPPENED in terms of medical mistreatment of blacks in America (the other book he quoted was pure kookery).

    It is true that as people ascend the income ladder, they have fewer babies. But now that we have abortion, the number of unwanted babies has gone down. Which is a good thing.

    And last I checked, we are looking at FOOD RIOTS in 37 fucking countries. WE are too populated. STILL. People gonna die, and I’m gonna cry. But that’s life, and our economy gonna shrink, and when that happens people DIE.

  29. RisingTide

    Nquest,

    A harvard educated Dentist has about as much clue about immunology as I do. Hell, I may have more, as I took a two week course on the subject. Bottom line is, his shit ain’t peer-reviewed, and that is because it SUCKS. It isn’t right, and there isn’t any theoretical nor factual reason to be believing that shit.

    Plus, it is bottom line dangerous for people to be believing false things that make medicine as a whole worse for black folks. If you think that US gov’t made AIDS, how much less likely are you to participate in a research study? If it were me, and it ain’t, I would be a lot less likely. And every research study that we don’t get black representation on, means a drug gets released that we DON”T KNOW HOW it will affect a substantial portion of the population.

    Some white folks are naturally immune to AIDS (it correlates well with the devastation of the Black Plague, and certainly isn’t anything too recent). But we only know that because we noticed that some people weren’t dying.

    Some other white men shouldn’t have overdoses of Vitamin C, as it inteferes with their Iron intake. Again, this is something that you need the doctors to get a sample together and look at.

    If blacks aren’t in the studies they qualify for, we got trouble comin’ down the pike. And it isn’t just the doctors fault.

    (Can you tell I work in a hospital?)

  30. newman

    RISING TIDE,

    When you’re at a stop light and there is no sign of a green signal, do you wait for a book to become publish to inform you of a malfunction? Is that the way the “left side” of the brain operates, needing “objects” in the form of a book to understand the obvious? I know you’re smarter than that.

    As for your food riots, I don’t see to many people fighting over mad cow. But i do recall policies starving 3rd world countries for refusing to take jesus christ as their lord and savior.

    I can say you got one thing right. People are dying. Rev. Wright was trying to inform you, as I am on how our people are dying!

    yourstruly, “NEVER SHUTTING UP!

  31. Nquest

    Rising Tide,

    You have no credibility. One of your STATED disagreements with Wright was this weird GENETIC thing that you’ve all of a sudden went silent on. Now you’re trying to make some idiotic argument that people should trust (the gov’t, etc.) NO MATTER WHAT which is nothing but a fallacy on steriods.

    Your argument is one insisting on foolishness. Not that I’m arguing that we should not participate in medical studies but your logic would have had thousands of black men participate in the Tuskegee experiment even after it was clear the original subjects were going untreated. And for what???

    All because of some idiotic notion that “wee’ze just got to trust the gubment, coz we’d never be kurred of any’ting else.”

    Get the fvck out of here!!

    Jeremiah Wright is getting people treated AIDS. That’s one of those ministries his church performs. Your logic is BUSTED!!

    If the idiotic theory of yours had any automatic merit then Jeremiah Wright’s church would be the first ones who would be so suspicious as to NOT advocate getting tested, etc., etc. That’s you dumbazz logic, debunked before it gets off the ground.

    If there was a direct, 100% correlation to documenting MEDICAL APARTHEID and, indeed, questioning if there is a Tuskegee like thing going on WHEN THE EFFECT of the impact of disease and TREATMENT plays out in racially discriminatory ways or in ways where, as Obama would say, there is an apparent, pervasive EMPATHY DEFICIT… then that would mean all the AIDS awareness campaigns in the Black community wouldn’t exist. YOUR LOGIC IS BUSTED!!

    You will have to find another (weak azz) argument.

    So here we have you calling yourself “disagreeing” with Rev. Wright when, on every count, what Rev. Wright actually said (about cultural difference (Wright’s views are AFROCENTRIC which, by definition, is all about a CULTURAL vs. genetic worldview/lens) and what Rev. Wright has done with respect to AIDS education/testing renders your fallacy-laden retorts moot — i.e. EMPTY RHETORIC showing ignorance or the desire to ignore the truth.

    But let’s play it your way. Since you like strawman arguments with this “one book he quoted was from a kook” and, therefore, everything quoted/stated is invalidated… Well, the fact that you fvcked up and came up with that off-the-wall GENETIC argument… Well, that invalidates everything you’ve said.

    Now kindly STFU!!

    …or make sure you got your sh*t straight before you start mouthing off and making a fool of yourself and showing your lack of intellectual integrity as you conveniently wanted to avoid everything spray and pray point of yours that never even got close to landing on mark.

    I have absolutely no respect for loud mouth mf’s who make arguments, like your crazy-azz GENETIC one, that are not only not based in truth but end up saying the same thing they (you) called yourself taking issue with.

    You know what that says??? It says you’re full of sh*t, didn’t know what you were talking about and, worse, you aren’t even man enough to acknowledge your mistake. But it’s understandable… A lot of people figure they can pull off hit jobs and not get called on it; so they figure, like you, that they (you) can say anything even when you knew nothing or never care about making sure the stuff you said was accurate.

    You just figured you could paint Rev. Wright as some kind of racial essentialist who believes there is some polar genetic differences in the “races” even when you knew you have no basis for that bs. I guess you figured (by what the media fed you or your own ignorant, racist assumptions) that he seemed like the type. So why not voice your “disagreement” with some strawman caricature you created right from some sh*t you pulled out sh*tty azz.

  32. Nquest

    (Can you tell I work in a hospital?)

    Can you tell me which president Jeremiah Wright helped provide medical care for?

    Your weak, fallacious suggestion that you are an authority is TRUMPED!

    NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!

  33. RisingTide

    Nquest,

    Well, the first time I said something (it didn’t post) I was acknowledging you, and that you’re right on the point about Genetic stuff that I was apparently pulling out of my ASS! So, yeah, I gotta stop with that shit, cause it stinks. [now, see, this is what respectful people do, they acknowledge when they’re in the wrong, and apologize for being dumb]

    What I wanted to say about it was that the research he cited has been widely discredited.

    What I also wanted to say is, just because there may be cultural differences, doesn’t mean that you need apartheid. Instead, you need a system that encourages cultural intercourse, a system that encourages everyone to learn to value both cultures equally.

  34. RisingTide

    Newman,

    any such policies are IMMORAL and UNJUST. So are bush’s policies about abstinence only. So is the Catholic church, who will encourage raped women to bear the babies. Ick, that squicks me just thinking about it.

  35. RisingTide

    Nquest,

    Johnson, was it? I do read the blogs, and I do admire Reverend Wright.

    Sad to say it, but I’m not an authority, i’m a computer person. However, I do listen to authorities, particularly when talks come with free lunch (I’m poor and cheap).

    You’re a crazyone, Don Quihote. The windmill is over there, and I’m over here. I extremely object to saying that the gov’t caused AIDS, in PART because of all the tragedies that have REALLY HAPPENED. Rev. Wright quoted a good book about Medical Apartheid. I don’t have the money to buy it, but the stuff about Columbia University made me really want to.

    Yes, people are Damn Wright to be suspicious. This does not mean that people should spread false information. There is no evidence that the US Gov’t caused AIDS, and the good Reverend quoting a self-published non-peer-reviewed book was WRONG.

    Y’all have a right to be outraged, and wary, and suspicious. Hell, more people should be that way, I loathe paternalistic medicine.

  36. What’s the big deal, if they U.S. government didn’t cause AIDS it probably meant to. Which is just as bad, isn’t it?

    Smallpox –> Native Americans

    AIDS –> Africans

    It’s the same Manifest Destiny, it’s now covering the entire planet rather than a single continent.

  37. RisingTide

    It’s a big deal because there are TRUE things that the gov’t has done, like releasing drugs onto the American Streets during Iran Contra. I’d rather we focus on what HAS happened, and how to STOP that, rather than getting sidetracked into what the gov’t wanted to do.

    Because the gov’t is coated in shit, and we need to be watchful. Because there are real problems they aint’ doing what they could be doing to fix.

    We don’t need conspiracies, when the truth is this harsh.

  38. newman

    RISING TIDE,

    I’m glad to see you back! I’m also glad to see you have acknowledge strange things has happen in this great country of ours. I agree with you, we can’t get sidetracked.

    And, we must also never underestimate the greed of man and his true intentions. I would love to wake up everyday and not have to worry about the dreded statistic. You know the one, (BLACK MAN BEFORE THE AGE OF 25)

    And although I’m 40yrs old and considered a DINASOUR, it’ has’nt gotten any easier. If anything it’s more intence.

    Because now, my son and other son’s are at risk. I can’t afford to allow him or others to sleep or become seducted into napping by the loud SNORING UNBELIEVERS.

    No disrespect intended. Like many other races, we all got our shit we are dealing with. Mine and others like me problems just don’t start or end because we did’nt get that job today.

    You spoke about “truth and conspiracies.” well, there’s alot of conspiracies to go along with black peoples “bad truths” in america. If you don’t understand that, then you must think, (“excuse my ghetto”) niggaz is just crazy!

    Believe me that’s not case. But if we sleep like others want us to, we will wake up nutty as a mfka! (IF NOT DEAD!)

    I know you got your thougts and I respect them, although I may disagree with some, I still wanna hear them…

    yourstruly, SHARING!

  39. RhondaCoca

    Nquest….you are the greatest. I second newman’s “checkmate”….Do you have a blog? If you dont then create one today.

    Rising Tide,

    You are full of hot air. You said the following:

    “What I also wanted to say is, just because there may be cultural differences, doesn’t mean that you need apartheid. Instead, you need a system that encourages cultural intercourse, a system that encourages everyone to learn to value both cultures equally.”

    You obviously do not understand what Wright was saying because that is what he was saying. He was saying that people in our society must accept people for who they are and not see them as deficent but different. He is against segregation and assimilation. He is for diversity and acceptance of diversity. Either you are too slow, too deaf or too gulliable to media spin….its your pick!!

    If you need back up for my claim then hopefully Nquest comes back with those much needed quotes.

    I refuse to have the dominant community shut up Wright’s truths. They have been doing it for years by demonizing or suppressing the voices of those they do not agree with. Those who they fell threatened by. It must stop!! I refuse to participate in it…I refuse.

    People are distorting the man and his message for political adgendas and exploitation. We need more Wrights.

  40. RisingTide

    Agreed! We need more Wrights!

    It’s not media spin, but perhaps the lack of it, in my case. I had to pull the speech online, and the only part I didn’t skim was about the AIDS shtick.

    Now you see why getting most of your news from bloggers… leaves you ripe for criticism from other bloggers!

    Seriously the science he cited there, I’m told is bunk, discredited stuff.

    Doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t work on it, but I do find it interesting that a few psych studies (don’t take their word on it) have found that both blacks and whites react badly to black faces.

    My point isn’t so much that they’re right, as that we really haven’t done as much research into differences as we think. The field of neuropsychology is just getting started!

  41. RhondaCoca

    “Doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t work on it, but I do find it interesting that a few psych studies (don’t take their word on it) have found that both blacks and whites react badly to black faces.”

    I’m sure that true. I did a project last year that has two components.One was where I took the same ad and darkened one and lightened another.

    In another component, I used the classic doll test with you black children.

    Lets say the black people failed miserably. The self-hate is a result of living in a white supermacist society. We have been socialized to the point that we have inherited their lens.

    Also, many things have been discredited yet our society promotes it as fact. Why is that? Could it be that it serves the interest of the white dominant community?

  42. RisingTide

    What are these discredited things that society promotes as fact? I ask because I wish to take note of them.😉

    What it illustrates is that people are not doing the “it looks like me” test, but a -maybe higher level- test of “is it socially acceptable” . at least that’s my thought, but i’m just a physicist.

  43. RhondaCoca

    Much of the sociology done about the black community is inaccurate. I can’t sit here and go through it all but there is a lot written on it. Despite the evidence that contradicts some of these popular beliefs, it is promoted because it serves the purpose of the dominant community.

    For example, white women are the number one beneficiaries of Affirmative Action yet our society on the whole preaches the opposite that its blacks! It is discredited and there is proof yet people believe it and repeat it. Nobody goes oh thats not sure! Nope.

    Yet when Rev.Wright says something everyone scurries to try and do a fact check. Please.

  44. newman

    LET’S NOT FORGET THE WALFARE BENEFITS , ALONG WITH THE “N”WORD THAT HAS BEEN ATTACH TO US UNJUSTLY. NOW THE AIDS EPIDEMIC. YES, THATS RIGHT, I SAID IT. A.I.D.S. LET ME EXPLAIN IT TO YOU.

    I’M OUT HERE IN CALIFORNIA, AND LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE WE ARE TRYING TO DO OUR PART IN FIGHTING OFF THE STEREOTYPES THAT HAS BECOME A EPIDEMIC BY ITSELF. KEEPING PEOPLE INFORM ABOUT THE TRUTH AS WE UNDERSTAND THEM.

    SO, WHY WOULD ANY RESPONSIBLE PERSON USE THE RADIO STATION TO THROW OUT HIV/AIDS STATISTICS ABOUT AFRICAN AMERICANS IN A 30 SECONDS TIME SLOT, WITHOUT ANY MEANINGFUL FOLLOW UP?

    NOW, I HAVE TO TELL MY 7 YR. OLD SON THAT HIS FRIEND AT SCHOOL IS WRONG ABOUT ALL BLACK PEOPLE HAVE AIDS. (BECAUSE HE HEARD IT ON THE RADIO) I CAN’T BLAME A 7YR OLD FOR WHAT HE THOUGHT HE MAY HAVE HEARD.

    HOW LONG AND HOW FAR DO YOU THINK THAT STEREOTYPE WILL TRAVEL THROUGH THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM?

    RHONDA COCO,
    YOU ARE RIGHT! CONTINUE TO STAY ON COURSE AND UNDERSTAND PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE TO DOUBT YOU WHEN YOU TELL THEM THE KING IS NAKED!!!

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